Doibluff: DNS Removal Request

Doibluff · February 27th, 2007, 09:08 PM

Ok all of neverbeg, i have been waiting for this day for quite a while.

Because of an unfortunate personal problem, i reacted poorly one day and lost over $400 dollars of my staker's money and 2.5k of my own roll. I immediately the next day informed the community, and vouched to pay everyone back.

My apology was sincere, and im proud and happy to say that I now have paid everyone back.

My contribution before DNS gear included the fact that i won over $3,000 playing on stakes, and staked out over 1/3rd of my winnings back to the community.

After I recieved the DNS, i took a much needed break from poker, and returned a few months later. I paid back about $50 when i returned, and since then have been working on it.

During the span of time in which i had my DNS, i continued to contribute to threads, keep my friendships, and win some money for some stakers.

This is the original thread in which my DNS was issued:

http://forum.neverbeg.com/showthread.php?t=24861

And here is the thread in which I paid everyone back, and had them confirm:

http://forum.neverbeg.com/showthread.php?t=26084

I have not paid back two people. Microshark (who got DNS and moved to a different country, Doub13gutted knows more information). And Liveshark888 (who completely disappeared). I do have their money ($15.50) so if anyone has any recommendations for how i should pay it back, let me know.

I am willing to stake it out for Stevesafinuks charity fund... 100%. Just let me know.

Please, all comments will be appreciated

Sincerely,
Doibluff

Billabong526 · February 27th, 2007, 09:15 PM

Send all the money you owe to payneverbeg on pokerstars.

Billabong526 · February 27th, 2007, 09:15 PM

Than I will remove it for you.

gadzod · February 27th, 2007, 09:16 PM

Doibluff has been truley sincere while this time of his life. I was one, maybe not the biggest, but I was one of the people that lost money that day. Please, someone tell me who would pay someone back after losing $400 of peoples money? Not very many, and Doibluff is one of those not very many people. I talk to him virtually every day, and in every conversation we have, he always mentioned "the day everybody would be paid back." At first, I'll be truley honest, being a fellow young man, $400 is too much money to try and pay back, but he endured and suffered many days, nights, weeks, months to try and get the money back. He has paid his dues, he has contributed to the site very well. He has many friends on here. I am a huge contributer to this site (at least I think I am), and I would like my voice to be heard. I, David Gadzo, would like the mods to carefully evaluate this appeal, and please take into consideration that this DNS should be lifted.

For the $15.50 not paid, I have tried to help him contact these individuals to no success. Since these individuals are unable to be contacted, their money cannot be paid to them, but since they are gone, may I give a suggestion that he A. donates the $15.50 to the cancer fund, or run a cancer fund stake or B. just donate the $15.50 to the site....

Thanks I hope this is taken into great consideration

David Gadzo
gadzod

Billabong526 · February 27th, 2007, 09:19 PM

I think it's best if he sends it to payneverbeg on pokerstars so if these people ever come back he doesn't have to pay them back twice. I like the donate it to charity idea but that doesn't solve much. DNS Removed.

Doibluff · February 27th, 2007, 09:22 PM

$15.50 shipped to Billabong

Billabong526 · February 27th, 2007, 09:25 PM

15.50 received and shipped to payneverbeg.

Kooldude904 · February 27th, 2007, 09:33 PM

ban him, a couplete douchebag who is death deserving

Kooldude904 · February 27th, 2007, 09:33 PM

btw, im kidding, doibluff pwns, take DNS off

Stuman123 · February 27th, 2007, 09:39 PM

cheaaaaaaaaaaaa

tonto · February 27th, 2007, 09:44 PM

Paying people back through the generosity of other people isn't deserving of a pat on the back. DNS means nothing anymore. New stakers will not see his history etc, the months it took to pay back (at zero risk or out of pocket expense to himself) He should be banned.

Blucky430 · February 27th, 2007, 09:44 PM

congrats doibluff and cant wait to see ur name w/ out the dns symbol. a great thing u have accomplished since your mistake.

Billabong526 · February 27th, 2007, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonto

Paying people back through the generosity of other people isn't deserving of a pat on the back. DNS means nothing anymore. New stakers will not see his history etc, the months it took to pay back (at zero risk or out of pocket expense to himself) He should be banned.

Solid points. I will review it with the admins and other mods before the decision is made.

Doibluff · February 27th, 2007, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonto

Paying people back through the generosity of other people isn't deserving of a pat on the back. DNS means nothing anymore. New stakers will not see his history etc, the months it took to pay back (at zero risk or out of pocket expense to himself) He should be banned.

For the record, i used $150 dollars out of MY OWN POCKET to pay back. I understand your point though.

tonto · February 27th, 2007, 09:57 PM

Posting this here as well. (I understand some doesn't apply to doibluff)

How many times do people have to get ****ed by previous offenders before the DNS gear means something? Before it sticks?

A mistake or misunderstanding leading to dns is a computer problem, internet problem, health problem, my going to jail for breaking arms problem.

A thief/degenerate/irresponsible person rolling someone cause they are pissed at the world, don't respect money, girl friend broke up with them is totally different.

The difference is when someones computer is fixed, solves their problem etc the stakers money is still in their account and can be shipped back instantly. They don't require other people to stake them in order to pay their debts, they don't take months to pay their debts etc.

It's high time the leaders of neverbeg take a stand and spell it out once and for all how they feel about dns. Is it ok to **** people then come back sucking dick to get stakes to repay until the next big score to **** people again?

More discussion here: http://forum.neverbeg.com//showthrea...t=59806&page=2

gadzod · February 27th, 2007, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonto

Posting this here as well. (I understand some doesn't apply to doibluff)

How many times do people have to get ****ed by previous offenders before the DNS gear means something? Before it sticks?

A mistake or misunderstanding leading to dns is a computer problem, internet problem, health problem, my going to jail for breaking arms problem.

A thief/degenerate/irresponsible person rolling someone cause they are pissed at the world, don't respect money, girl friend broke up with them is totally different.

The difference is when someones computer is fixed, solves their problem etc the stakers money is still in their account and can be shipped back instantly. They don't require other people to stake them in order to pay their debts, they don't take months to pay their debts etc.

It's high time the leaders of neverbeg take a stand and spell it out once and for all how they feel about dns. Is it ok to **** people then come back sucking dick to get stakes to repay until the next big score to **** people again?

When someone is put to jail (like for instance DNS) and serves his time in jail, and pays back the community with jail time and/or community service, and if that person is truley sorry by paying the people back, then he should be given a chance of redemption. He told everybody the day after what happened, and he told everybody that he is going to take time off of the internet to get his mind straight. He also came back when he said he would. He also put in almost half of what he owed from his own pocket.

He wasn't given "charity" stakes. He has the stats, he is a solid player. This is why people staked him. I NEVER staked him so he could try to pay everybody back. I staked him because I want the best player for the job. DNS or not, he was the best player for the job, that is why I stake him. Reguardless of how he paid everybody back, he paid everybody with "legal" money. When you win money from a stake, its your money. Its a job that was given to you, and because you successfully did the job right, he was rewarded with payment (most likely 50% of the winnings). That is a job, is it not? Tonto, when you won that $800, it was a job that you successfully did (I gave you more money than the initial deal). When I stake, I treat the stake like a business. He did the job, was paid for it, and now he paid his debts. Just like life. People should know that he previously had this, but his DNS gear should be removed. If this isn't any better points as tonto, then I don't know what is....that just means you already had your mind set on what you wanted to do, and its not a fair trial.

gophakilla · February 27th, 2007, 10:17 PM

A couple weeks ago I had a conversation with doibluff, and he knows that I don't think that he should have his DNS gear removed right away. What exactly has his punishment been for rolling multiple members of the site? In my mind, paying back his stakers is only the first step on the road back to being a respected member of this site. In the real world, someone who gets caught stealing doesn't get to say "Oops, my bad. Let me give it back to you -- no harm, no foul. By the way, you should stand up and applaud me for giving it back to you."
I've been angry for a couple of months now, especially at those who staked you after you received your DNS gear. Saying that you gave back $150 of your own money means absolutely nothing. 100% of what you rolled should have come from your own pocket because ultimately YOU were responsible for taking the money in the first place.
You may have earned back the respect of some of the other people you took money from, but you've got a long, long way to go before you've got respect in my book. I don't care about the $20 -- I've said that many times. You broke the ultimate rule on this forum about trust, and getting that back takes more than just paying back what you owe. You should be staking back to the community many times what you originally took. You should be going out of your way to help new members. You should be contributing to the site in any way that you can, and so far I've seen little of that.
I know I'm just one of the people who have a voice in this, but as it is, I'm just not impressed with what you've done since you took the money. Maybe in the future I'd say you should get your gear off, but for now, I like to vote a resounding no.

tonto · February 27th, 2007, 10:28 PM

gadzod, the difference is in the real world, commit a felony and it follows you forever. You still have to pay your debts, you still have to tell an employer that you've committed the crime previously. Thus the need for something that is easy to see (not a title or something in their signature, but a picture, gear etc) JoeBlow signs up for neverbeg tomorrow, he puts up a 100 dollar heeb. PlayerZ has no gear showing, has good stats etc. JoeBlow picks him. Playerz goes on to roll Joe. Had joe known about playerz's previous problems he may or may not have picked him. The difference between the two is that Joe had all of the important information he needed to pick his horse. Now joe's pissed off and leaves neverbeg because he found out playerz had dns for 5 months and he didn't know about it.

Doibluff · February 27th, 2007, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonto

gadzod, the difference is in the real world, commit a felony and it follows you forever. You still have to pay your debts, you still have to tell an employer that you've committed the crime previously. Thus the need for something that is easy to see (not a title or something in their signature, but a picture, gear etc) JoeBlow signs up for neverbeg tomorrow, he puts up a 100 dollar heeb. PlayerZ has no gear showing, has good stats etc. JoeBlow picks him. Playerz goes on to roll Joe. Had joe known about playerz's previous problems he may or may not have picked him. The difference between the two is that Joe had all of the important information he needed to pick his horse. Now joe's pissed off and leaves neverbeg because he found out playerz had dns for 5 months and he didn't know about it.

I am more than willing to put all of the information in my sig

adam · February 27th, 2007, 11:22 PM

i think that his determination to pay back what he owes is definately a testament to his underlying character. he definately deserves some sort of retun to the normal for making good. that said, am i absolutely convinced this could never happen again? no. but the same could probably be said for 90% of the people on this site. perhaps a new sort of designation could be created for those who had DNS gear and have since had it removed? like a probation gear?