DNS gear removal for Elon Phenom59

ElonPhenom59 · March 5th, 2007, 03:24 AM

Wild Freak has agreed to take off DNS. He will post here to confirm, thanks.

wildfreak · March 5th, 2007, 03:25 AM

he has paid me back request it to come off

t4kechips · March 5th, 2007, 05:39 AM

to my understanding it cant come off totally. He will always have a Former DNS thing......

PartTimePoker · March 5th, 2007, 06:47 AM

While staker request is part of DNS removal, we're also looking for some additional reasons as to why we should take it off.

It's been brought up in several discussions regarding DNS lately that simply paying back isn't enough; if it was, there really wouldn't be much weight behind the gear.

RE: former DNS - It appears that wearing former DNS gear will be pretty standard in cases of DNS removal.

stevesafinuk · March 5th, 2007, 04:49 PM

Hey PTP, whats the time frame that they will be required to wear former DNS gear? Is that permanent, or long term.

Also, if you want DNS removed, you have to give us a little information into the cause for the gear (obviously money from WildFreak, but what ACTUALLY occured)...links to the DNS thread would be wonderful

PartTimePoker · March 5th, 2007, 07:07 PM

As of now, former DNS is perm gear.

At some point the new violations system will be a fairly complete history of all abuse and we won't have a need for former DNS gear, but that's a bit down the road.

philivey123422 · March 5th, 2007, 08:18 PM

Don't know if this helps, but it was his previous DNS removal request
http://forum.neverbeg.com/showthread.php?t=57810

ElonPhenom59 · March 5th, 2007, 08:43 PM

What else do you want me to say, there is a link to my previous post on here....the staker has verified that I payed back, I gave him sexual favors worth about $2.20 in staker money lmao. Also, I think a month of not getting barely any stakes is punishment enough. If it is resolved to the staker's satisfaction then I think it should be over and done with. The whole "Former DNS" is pretty unfair because now this gets into the whole does it count as DNS or does it not, and ultimately worse players will be picked over me b/c I will have former DNS. Not trying to insult the mods or Admins, I just think its a no brainer that since I payed back and I have waited almost 2 months now since the gear was put on, that it is only fair that it be taken completely off, otherwise what incentive does the member with DNS have to pay back the stake if he is being treated as having DNS on the site forever (b/c former of former DNS). Obviously If I were to do this again, then it would be a no brainer (in my opinion) that I should be banned from the site. Lol makes us feel like we did 10 years in the pen and now we can't go out and get a job....

sidenote: does America care that George Bush USED to do lines of coke back in his party days at college?? think it about it baby.....think about it.

stevesafinuk · March 5th, 2007, 09:09 PM

Sorry, but there is no way it should come completley off. You ****ed up enough to earn yourself DNS gear, and have to deal with it. According to the new rules, Former DNS gear is mandatory, and personally, I like that idea, especially in cases where rollings/non paybacks are involved.

I personally say go ahead and remove his gear, and replace it with former DNS gear!

PartTimePoker · March 5th, 2007, 09:27 PM

The argument that we should make DNS gear easy to get off because othewise people who have rolled stakers will have less incentive to pay those stakers back is a little goofy.

Rolling a staker is a big deal. Paying them back doesn't make it all square. If that's all it took, rolling would be a lot more common.

ElonPhenom59 · March 5th, 2007, 09:33 PM

I HARDLY think that my argument in any way encouraged making DNS easy to get off...in no way does having DNS for a month and making it mandatory that you pay back staker AND have their approval for it to come does it make it easy at all. My point is this....taking it off and replacing it with FORMER DNS gear does not do too much to help me out, of course I would rather that than nothing, but still it makes the stakers think ok he wasnt trustworthy before, he never will be im not staking him...just a few things to think about for the mods and admins. If you want good players to join the site and make the stakers money, rules like that may shy people away. I think that members should vote on it

stevesafinuk · March 5th, 2007, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PartTimePoker

The argument that we should make DNS gear easy to get off because othewise people who have rolled stakers will have less incentive to pay those stakers back is a little goofy.

Rolling a staker is a big deal. Paying them back doesn't make it all square. If that's all it took, rolling would be a lot more common.

Exactly...it would be more like a loaning company as opposed to a staking site, because people would just take that stake and run, and come back when they have the moeny to pay back and say "Sorry, here's your money back....can i have another stake"

stevesafinuk · March 5th, 2007, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElonPhenom59

I HARDLY think that my argument in any way encouraged making DNS easy to get off...in no way does having DNS for a month and making it mandatory that you pay back staker AND have their approval for it to come does it make it easy at all. My point is this....taking it off and replacing it with FORMER DNS gear does not do too much to help me out, of course I would rather that than nothing, but still it makes the stakers think ok he wasnt trustworthy before, he never will be im not staking him...just a few things to think about for the mods and admins. If you want good players to join the site and make the stakers money, [b]rules like that may shy people away.[b] I think that members should vote on it

Absolutely not...if anything, having rules like this will do the exact opposite. People want to think the site is safe, and the members are protected. Letting new users know that you have rolled a member in the past, protects them. Staking you, from this point forward, is riskier, because you HAVE made the mistake in the past.

cowboy75154 · March 5th, 2007, 10:01 PM

My 2 cents as a new menber and a starke that has been rolled. Paying it back is not enough the stake is not a loan it is an aggrement between the staker and player. That must be carred out honestly. with out proper punishment players will just take a loan (roll the staker) when they need the money and just pay it back later to get the gear removed.

ElonPhenom59 · March 6th, 2007, 12:35 AM

The point is that you can not and should not be able to recieve DNS more than once, that in itself I think is enough. the second time you should be banned from the site. period. I think taking that into account, there should be no Former DNS. Former DNS only discourages players that made 1 mistake on the site, but they are forever stamped with the fact that they once rolled a staker. I didn't get a girl pregnant or kill a man, I mad bad judgment and rolled a staker for $2.20....end of story. Also if a staker puts no DNS under the RULES section, does former DNS count, or will the admins slap a HOP real quick on that if i post for a stake that says no DNS.

stevesafinuk · March 6th, 2007, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ElonPhenom59

The point is that you can not and should not be able to recieve DNS more than once, that in itself I think is enough. the second time you should be banned from the site. period. I think taking that into account, there should be no Former DNS. Former DNS only discourages players that made 1 mistake on the site, but they are forever stamped with the fact that they once rolled a staker. I didn't get a girl pregnant or kill a man, I mad bad judgment and rolled a staker for $2.20....end of story. Also if a staker puts no DNS under the RULES section, does former DNS count, or will the admins slap a HOP real quick on that if i post for a stake that says no DNS.

No, former DNS does not count. If they say "no DNS" they mean currently does not have DNS.

Much like if you stole in real life, you will be marked on this site with probation, even after serving your time. This is not the "outside world", this is Neverbeg.com, and the owners decide how it is run. Regardless, you broke the biggest rule on the site, and stole from a member...you should not, and will not, get any breaks from me, or any other admin. Work your way up, and just become a valued member of society, and eventually, people may see through yoru former DNS, but if they don't, that is there choice!

ElonPhenom59 · March 6th, 2007, 12:57 AM

ok...so when do I get this former DNS that has been talked about.....I was told the DNS would come off last night, but that never happened.

stevesafinuk · March 6th, 2007, 01:03 AM

We have not made a ruling that the gear would come off yet, just stated that when it does, it will be replaced with former DNS gear

cradshark_ · March 6th, 2007, 09:08 AM

If you ask me once you roll someone for any amt of money you should sport DNS or former DNS forever. This whole site is built 100% on TRUST... Once you break that trust you just make it harder for anyone to trust you again and make it that much harder for new people to get started.

If you rolled someone for 2.20 who's to say the same situtation wont come up when someone stakes you for $220. The rules are put into place to protect the STAKERS not the horses. The staker has every right to know everything about the horses past he wishs to stake. If after all that he still wishs to stake someone with DNS or former DNS thats the risk he/she takes.

The fact that you say former DNS gear will mke it harder on you to get stakes is the WHOLE point of the gear in the 1st place. Just dont roll anyeone in the 1st place and you wouldnt have this problem.

tonto · March 6th, 2007, 12:32 PM

You should have thought about how much harder it would be to get stakes before you rolled for 2.20.