DNS Gear

[Mark Ortega]

Here is my personal opinion on DNS:

People make **** up all the time in order to cover up why they did not send the money or whatever, like in the cases of QuickCards and HiroReborn. I believe QuickCards later rolled more money after being cleared of DNS for a story about his son losing the money.

In the case of tonto/LoNasty, if what THEY said was really true, it was proveable in that you would not have seen any games logged on their account during that time period and everything. Those are provable scenarios where DNS was a misunderstanding.

I think what should happen is anyone who gets caught ROLLING someone of money should get a ****ing ban. BUT they can get the ban removed once they pay off their debts. Then they can return to the site, but must sport DNS for life. I think it is unfair/dumb for the people who rolled to continue to be allowed to get stakes, because the risk is just too high. You might get someone like doibluff, how I personally respect a lot now, or you might get someone like QuickCards and you can say bye-bye to your cash.

The most important thing should be to protect the STAKER, not the HORSE. It seems the way DNS is setup, it is setup to protect horses after they **** up, leaving it open for them to **** up again in the future.

As owners of this site, wouldn't you want to be able to ensure more safety to the people that are staking out the money that they are unlikely to get ****ed over for big amounts?

Anyways, that is my personal opinion. I am glad doibluff made right on his ****, but I think lifting DNS right away would encourage all the wrong things.

[playforGod]

I guess I should way in on this since I have DNS. There are many people who have had the DNS and other gear including the original poster here. I dont really want you to elaborate on your reasons, as you can see Doibluff and myself and anyone else for that matter always think that their particular reason for having the gear is a valid one. The fact remains that people should be able to at least see in a profile or whatever that a person had a prior infraction and why, INCLUDING ANYONE WHO HAS HAD DNS FOR ANY REASON! it is the stakers right to know. Even though in my situation someone else compromised the money in my account when I was almost dead in the hospital the fact remains that I was still responsible; its just at the time poker, gear, or anything else other than the people I love was kind of far from my mind at the time. If management or the people here get together and vote that the gear stays always then so be itI am all for doing whatever the right thing is.....

[philivey123422]

Originally Posted by MarkOrtega

Here is my personal opinion on DNS:

People make **** up all the time in order to cover up why they did not send the money or whatever, like in the cases of QuickCards and HiroReborn. I believe QuickCards later rolled more money after being cleared of DNS for a story about his son losing the money.

In the case of tonto/LoNasty, if what THEY said was really true, it was proveable in that you would not have seen any games logged on their account during that time period and everything. Those are provable scenarios where DNS was a misunderstanding.

I think what should happen is anyone who gets caught ROLLING someone of money should get a ****ing ban. BUT they can get the ban removed once they pay off their debts. Then they can return to the site, but must sport DNS for life. I think it is unfair/dumb for the people who rolled to continue to be allowed to get stakes, because the risk is just too high. You might get someone like doibluff, how I personally respect a lot now, or you might get someone like QuickCards and you can say bye-bye to your cash.

The most important thing should be to protect the STAKER, not the HORSE. It seems the way DNS is setup, it is setup to protect horses after they **** up, leaving it open for them to **** up again in the future.

As owners of this site, wouldn't you want to be able to ensure more safety to the people that are staking out the money that they are unlikely to get ****ed over for big amounts?

Anyways, that is my personal opinion. I am glad doibluff made right on his ****, but I think lifting DNS right away would encourage all the wrong things.

Banning them gives stakers 0% chance of getting their money back....never have I seen a roller banned and pay back and I never plan on seeing it.

DNS is put on them for a reason...DO NOT ****ING STAKE THEM....anyone who stakes a DNS and gets rolled deserves to get rolled....

THe member can stick around with DNS and do whatever he wants, but should not be applying for stakes....should only be allowed to get a stake if someone sets up a private stake for them (fully knowing the risk they are taking of losing their money)......

[mutigers5591]

Originally Posted by philivey123422

Banning them gives stakers 0% chance of getting their money back....never have I seen a roller banned and pay back and I never plan on seeing it.

DNS is put on them for a reason...DO NOT ****ING STAKE THEM....anyone who stakes a DNS and gets rolled deserves to get rolled....

THe member can stick around with DNS and do whatever he wants, but should not be applying for stakes....should only be allowed to get a stake if someone sets up a private stake for them (fully knowing the risk they are taking of losing their money)......

qft

[philivey123422]

Originally Posted by mutigers5591

qft

Quit ****ing talking?

[mutigers5591]

quoted for truth?

[Squirrelyone]

Originally Posted by mutigers5591

quoted for truth?

I understood it as Quite ****ing true

[MrPOKERJACK]

All good points.

I think the problem with taking DNS off and putting something in their profile is that stakers tend to ignore that. IMO, I don't think many stakers will be checking the profile of every applicant for a stake just to see if they're have DNS in the past. If you're going to do something, give them the probation thing right on the left side there, where the DNS logo would be, to show that they had DNS before.

Obviously, for you people out there that think DNS should be removed, you think it will cause you to miss out on stakes, but YOU SHOULD because you have ****ing DNS and you rolled in the past. I'm glad there are people like DoiBluff that pay the people back, but man, there's not many of you out there.

SO, all in all, it would be better to protect the staker rather than protect the horse that's applying.

[sheket]

Well then,

The next issue should be for handing out infractions for people who call others "rollers", when such isn't 100% confirmed.

I ended up fighting with Adam because some of you posted that I was a roller when such never occurred especially when they had no financial involvement in my BAP.

THAT TOO IS WRONG !!!!

There should be some infraction for anyone who utters such BS if not directly involved in the stake or BAP.

[sheket]

I like the way you all scattered after my previous post....did I hit a nerve ????

[Kooldude904]

i missed it

i dont think anyone ever called u a roller, ur just DNSworthy for breaking stakers rules

[SlackerTab]

Originally Posted by mutigers5591

qft

queefs feel terrific

[sheket]

Originally Posted by Kooldude904

i missed it

i dont think anyone ever called u a roller, ur just DNSworthy for breaking stakers rules

LOL, You missed it !!!!

Tonight, if I get a chance, I will post all the links to all that was said that I rolled my stakers...then we'll talk.

[Kooldude904]

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btw the idea sux, it would only promote rollings, if someone rolls and the staker thinks its a misunderstanding, the roller can stay around for a little and possibly roll someone else

[galaxiusmons]

I think that is the issue. Tending to ignore the infraction history is either lazy or ignorant, the latter being somewhat acceptable because the system is relatively new. But given that a staker knows it exists I would have a hard time being convinced that glancing at the profile of a horse before assigning a stake is not worth your time.

I do agree that DNS removal should not be a slam-dunk process and should be dealt with on a case by case basis. I don't think it should be done without a very strong case that someone is really trying to make good. And the history should never be removed.

gm

Originally Posted by MrPOKERJACK

All good points.

I think the problem with taking DNS off and putting something in their profile is that stakers tend to ignore that. IMO, I don't think many stakers will be checking the profile of every applicant for a stake just to see if they're have DNS in the past. If you're going to do something, give them the probation thing right on the left side there, where the DNS logo would be, to show that they had DNS before.

Obviously, for you people out there that think DNS should be removed, you think it will cause you to miss out on stakes, but YOU SHOULD because you have ****ing DNS and you rolled in the past. I'm glad there are people like DoiBluff that pay the people back, but man, there's not many of you out there.

SO, all in all, it would be better to protect the staker rather than protect the horse that's applying.

[Doibluff]

Originally Posted by galaxiusmons

I think that is the issue. Tending to ignore the infraction history is either lazy or ignorant, the latter being somewhat acceptable because the system is relatively new. But given that a staker knows it exists I would have a hard time being convinced that glancing at the profile of a horse before assigning a stake is not worth your time.

I do agree that DNS removal should not be a slam-dunk process and should be dealt with on a case by case basis. I don't think it should be done without a very strong case that someone is really trying to make good. And the history should never be removed.

gm

When are you guys going to address my post in the Gear Removal Request thread?

[PartTimePoker]

For DNS to be removed, the original staker has to approve and a majority of mods / admins have to approve.

DNS removal is not a slam dunk, but in a lot of cases, we're put in awkward positions where we're dealing with events that occurred before we got here under circumstances that weren't always 100% clear or proper. This explains some of the removals to date.

Most DNS reversals occur because a staker makes a complaint and then it turns out to be something rooted in misunderstanding.

Both sides of this issue have excellent points, most clearly articulated by Phil on one side (ban = no payback chances, for instance) and Tonto on the other. My feeling is that DNS is serious gear, and the way for it to be viewed as serious gear across the board is for people to start adhering to the recommendation it gives:

DO NOT STAKE PEOPLE WITH DNS GEAR

[Kooldude904]

so sheket, no reply to my post?

[nalai550]

At the very least, someone who gets DNS for hand history doctoring or rolling, should have it kept on for a minimum of at least two months.

certain situations it would be OK to remove DNS right away (computer problem causes the horse to miss the MTT he was staked for, etc. .).

keep dealing with these on a case by case basis. i don't agree with DNS for life. if you want to DNS someone for life, they should just be outright banned. a perfect example of why DNS for life wouldn't be good, would be Stevesfinuk, who ****ed up, paid his dues, and got back to being a mod/admin. if he were stuck with DNS for life, the community as a whole would suffer.

(sorry Steve, don't mean to bring up your past like this, but you are a perfect example).

[Mark Ortega]

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