any ideas on some heebing $25.00

[alionheat]

hey all,

after coming to a sad realisation that my poker playing ability is 'below par' i wanted to know if fellow forum members could suggest how i could get two separate heebs of $25.00 to some reasonable money.

i.e. whether it be a particular player? or a particular system? or format?
any assistance would be appreciated.

cheers,

ali

[babylondonks]

look at their skills and what they want to run. Cash Games work if you're willing to wait and let them grind. HU heebs work excellently with $25 also

[Gobbles]

i would think that your going to have trouble making a reasonable amount of money without giving a long time probably at least a month. Maybe get someone that is good with micro MTT and SNGs of 45 man+ and allowing them to play anything below 2 dollars until say 50.. then they can play up to 3.30 and then continue a BR required heeb.. something like that is what im thinking

[alionheat]

yeah that sounds good gobbles. thanks for the input.

do you think it might be wiser to offer $50 to one person and get them to do as you say, some micro mtt's and sng's? or spread the amount?

or is $50 too low an amount to use as a foundation to get 3X or 4X?

[Gobbles]

i think if you allowed them to play 3.3 and below for micro mtt's it is more likely to yield a return faster, but it will also have a higher risk of ruin to the roll. If you are willing to take the gamble to get that extra return quicker, go for it.. if not i would suggest trying something safer and giving it more time.

[iamweazel]

$50 for 4ply HU sngs should see a good return from a good player, u only have to win 1 in 3 to be infront.

Also when giving heebs set rules where the horse can only use so much of the (say 5-10%) for any buy in.

Don't forget some players are good at cash games too, again just set rules as to how much they can but in for.

Low buy in MTTs thrown in every now and again will not effect the balance much if not done too often, they offer a great reward for very little investment.

[gridhusker]

The problem I'm having is finding someone with the playing ability or discipline to do heebs. Last night just for fun I ran a $1 to $5 heeb. I put out 18 of these. So far, 12 have busted, 2 are still going, 3 never railed it, and 1 actually pulled it off. To me this is terrible. Looking at their hand histories most get involved with crappy hands or just treat it like a freeroll. I honestly think I could teach a brand new player to make money in under an hour and only play 4 hands outside of the blinds. I tested out a system about a year ago for bonus clearing on Party's $25NL. I think system would work on Stars at the 0.01/0.02 NL or the 0.02/.05 for your heebs. Basically just have them buy in for something like $2 - $2.50 in the $10NL and push these 4 hands. It would be a grind but if you could find someone willing to multitable this hard and stick to it they could grind it up for you. I would be interested in knowing how it works out for you either way as I would like to do more heebs but I just feel like I'm pissing my money away right now.

Here is a copy and paste of the article I wrote for my old blog for this system.

Titans01’s Analysis of the Jim Rose Circus NL Poker System

The Jim Rose Circus System was introduced in the November 2005 edition of Bluff Magazine. Article Link. Jim Rose is a professional poker player for 7 months out of the year, a golfer and fisherman for 1 month, and travels with his group of outlandish performers the other 4 months of the year. He claims to have devised a system that will make $28 an hour playing $2/$5 NL in Vegas. He used the system 5 days a week for 7 months and in the end he averaged $28.64 an hour.The premise of the system is based on playing a few select hands with a short stack. He would buy into the $2/$5 game with only $140 and wait for a top hand. The only hands he would play was AA, KK, QQ, AK. Only 4 hands and that’s it. Based on the odds, you will see one of these hands every 43 or 44 hands. He would limp early and wait for a raise by the aggressive players in this limit in Vegas and then just go all in. If he doubled up, he would get up from the table and either go back on the list or head across the street to another casino.In the Bluff’s article, Jim Rose even claims that Chris “Jesus” Ferguson , who’s a friend of his, took his system and turned a dollar into $20,000 over a 5 month period online. The seems to be a disputed point as Chris does admit to turning a dollar into $20,000 online a few years back but he doesn’t really make a reference to Jim Rose’s system but rather good bankroll management. You can hear Ferguson talking about this through this link. So in my never ending endeavor to do “stupid bonus whoring tricks”, I gave this one a shot on Party Poker. I chose the 0.10/0.25 NL full ring game because I felt at this level you would be likely to get called by an allin bet. Here was some of the parameters that I set up:

• Only play the 4 hands described in the article.
• Buy in for $7. (I based this on the relationship of $140 to a $500 buy in)
• If I got down to $5 from posting blinds, I topped off so I was back to $7.
• If I got up to $10.50 through blind steals because nobody called me or I doubled up, I left the table.
• If I was in the big blind and got to see a flop because everyone limped, I would have to flop a set or 2 pair before I got involved in the hand.

I would say the toughest part of this system is just sticking to the system. I would find myself on the button with AQs or JJ and have to fold to stick to the system. Or I might be in the big blind with 99 and the UTG guy doubles the blind and 5 players call. I would fold just to stick to the system. I ended up playing over 11,000 hands testing this system while I was clearing bonuses on Party and here is what my stats looked like from Poker Tracker.
Total Hands: 11,713
VPIP: 3.00
PF Raise: 2.10%
BB/100: +1.46
In the end it figured out to be $0.73/100 per table. My BB/100 was actually up over 3 at 10,000 hands and then I had a nasty spell on the end. As you can see there really isn’t a lot of money in this system at the level I played. However, this system is good for clearing a Party bonus in a hurry because you can easily play 10 tables when your only playing 4 hands. You will see in the neighborhood of 500-600 hands per hour.
Most people that read this article will already be able to beat Party’s $25NL for at least 1.46 BB/100 but it might be a good starting point for your friends that are looking to learn poker. You can start them on this system for the first few 1000 hands and clear a Party bonus. They can then expand on it to include other pocket pairs and other broadway cards. The basic thing you can take from this article and system is that any idiot can win at $25NL on Party.

Titans01
Bonus Instructor for Pokerfox.net

[papa_dp]

do a small sng series for sure the best way to go

[alionheat]

thanks for the info. grinkhusker.
plenty of food for thought.

[SlackerTab]

i tossed out some wiener stakes to start like the 50 centers and i made the railers put any hand they put money into the pot then i go back over there rails closely you can usually tell who has the patients to grind out a game ... if you see someone that catches your eye then do a search for all threads they started and look over there rails for other people it is very easy to go over about 7 to 10 rail threads for any paticualar player and see how they play ... once you find a player that suits you talk to them on AOL or YIM or MSM and tell them what you want very specifically ... i say talk on those because its easier to get your point across that way than through a staking thread once you are set with them then put the thread up

[alionheat]

i think i'm going to try that slackertab, could be interesting.
thanks for your assistance.