Turn play with AA

BrandonPL · February 11th, 2008, 11:39 PM

I'm testing to make sure the converter works.

Two questions on this hand:

1) When you are checked to on the turn, do you fire to get value from a ten or a flush draw?
2) Once you get check raised again, do you call or fold and why?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($93.60)
UTG+1 ($82)
Hero ($215.25)
MP2 ($235.05)
MP3 ($38)
CO ($232.80)
Button ($43.60)
SB ($313.30)
BB ($163.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A

, A

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, Hero raises to $9, 4 folds, SB calls $8, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: ($22) 2

, T

, 6

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15, SB raises to $46, Hero calls $31.

Turn: ($114) 2

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $59, SB raises to $188, Hero ?????????

bnorris85 · February 11th, 2008, 11:48 PM

ugh I hate that hand converter

nsinger · February 12th, 2008, 12:36 AM

Wow, that's a tough hand. If I don't have any info on this opponent I probably fold the turn. Really the only thing we beat here is a flush draw and it seems far more likely that he has correctly put you on an overpair and figures that he'll be able to checkraise you again with a set on the turn and hopefully get you potstuck. Also, assuming he's reasonable, he's far more likely to be cold-calling out of the sb w/ 1010, 66, or 22 than he is with AQhh or QJhh or one of those types of hands. Also, the fact that the board pairs on the turn and he checkraises again makes it less likely for him to hold a flush draw here as he would probably be scared of drawing dead.

I don't really put a hand like A10/K10/Q10 in his range here as he'd pretty much have to be suicidal to play a hand like that in this fashion.

I think checking behind on the turn here is a perfectly reasonable option because you do get added value from a ten that will pay you off on the river but would likely fold the turn, and the deuce pairing takes away three outs from a hand like k10 or q10. If you fold the turn you lost the same amount you would on checking the turn and calling the river vs a full house, so that's kind of a wash either way. Giving a free card to a flush draw is not the best thing in the world but you get some added value as he may bluff the river if he bricks.

philivey123422 · February 15th, 2008, 12:54 AM

Would have to depend on my read on the SB. Honestly if I had no read/info I would probably shove and be willing to lose a buyin to get some info. Best case scenario he is a donk and we double up (barring he misses a flush draw if he has it) and get some great info on him. Worst case scenario is we lose a buyin and will never pay one of his sets/boats off again.

DaCus3 · February 15th, 2008, 01:03 AM

i'm def getting it in there.... only hand that he possibly has that has u is 10 10 imo.... im all in all day there... seems like he has a good 10 and is worried... A10?

DaCus3 · February 15th, 2008, 01:05 AM

on second thought i dont think there is ANYWAY he repops the turn with a boat.... clearly wants u to hit if ur on a draw... i would bet any money AA is good.

BrandonPL · February 15th, 2008, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaCus3

on second thought i dont think there is ANYWAY he repops the turn with a boat.... clearly wants u to hit if ur on a draw... i would bet any money AA is good.

He had TT for tens full.

I think I made a really bad call honestly, although I guess he could have done the same with KK or QQ. People are smooth calling those hands from the BB like crazy right now.

Lick496 · February 15th, 2008, 06:53 PM

I agree, he could have easily had an overpair

ratsauce89 · February 20th, 2008, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaCus3

on second thought i dont think there is ANYWAY he repops the turn with a boat.... clearly wants u to hit if ur on a draw... i would bet any money AA is good.

lolol, this guy got checkraised twice. I don't like really like flatting the check raise, I like 3betting here. Obviously the first check raise could be a lot of different top pair/flush draw combos.

On the turn, I think its an easy bet fold. I seriously doubt this guy is going crazy with AT and if he is then I just lol and fold.

To say he doesn't have you absolutely crushed is reallllllllly bad advice. Just because you have AA doesn't mean you have to stack off.

ratsauce89 · February 20th, 2008, 06:19 AM

And yes, I see no problem at all with checking behind here. If hes going crazy with a bare 10, you're getting paid on the river.

Rmmkhanna · February 20th, 2008, 09:18 PM

all in for sure, hes pushing many 10s here and the 2 should actually be a safe card for you. I wouldnt worry about him calling with any A2 or any hand with a 2 in the small blind unless this guy is playing EXTRA loose. Id put him on a pair of 9s or K 10. gotta get the chips in when your hand will be good more than 50% of the time.

TClermont · February 21st, 2008, 06:03 AM

As with most situations, I think this is entirely dependent on the villain in question. If he's solid and putting you on an overpair that you won't release, double c/r is great and you're in trouble.

If he's the type that'll go crazy with top pair/flush draw.... maybe trying to get u off a flush draw with 2 overs or something... then u obv. get your chips in.

With no clear reads, I probably stack off here. I'd say his most likely hand is the flush draw with 2 overs or (unlucky) A2.