Can I C/R this river?

[aguttorm]

Full Tilt Poker Game #5402943231: Table Worthington - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:43:18 ET - 2008/02/25
Seat 1: czarcaesarxx ($215.15)
Seat 2: MOD Poker ($132.25)
Seat 3: klemovit ($209.45)
Seat 4: Nurse Tammyy ($130)
Seat 5: A Guttormsen ($344)
Seat 6: jayqueue ($65.45)
Seat 7: donkzilla86 ($100.70)
Seat 8: Jets8781 ($262)
Seat 9: veritech100 ($413.85)
czarcaesarxx posts the small blind of $1
MOD Poker posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to A Guttormsen [6s 7s]
klemovit calls $2
Nurse Tammyy calls $2
A Guttormsen calls $2
jayqueue folds
donkzilla86 folds
Jets8781 folds
veritech100 calls $2
czarcaesarxx folds
MOD Poker checks
*** FLOP *** [Qc 5s 9c]
MOD Poker has 15 seconds left to act
MOD Poker checks
klemovit checks
Nurse Tammyy checks
A Guttormsen checks
veritech100 checks
*** TURN *** [Qc 5s 9c] [As]
MOD Poker checks
klemovit checks
Nurse Tammyy checks
A Guttormsen bets $7
jayqueue adds $80
veritech100 raises to $14
MOD Poker folds
klemovit calls $14
Nurse Tammyy folds
A Guttormsen calls $7
*** RIVER *** [Qc 5s 9c As] [2h]
klemovit checks
A Guttormsen checks
veritech100 bets $15
klemovit folds
A Guttormsen has 15 seconds left to act
A Guttormsen has requested TIME

[nsinger]

I think if you have a tight image you might be able to checkraise the river here. It seems unlikely that veritch would have a set here, assuming that he's at least reasonable, as no person in their right mind would check a set on such a draw heavy flop. It seems more likely that he has a hand like a9s or a5s or is even betting a one pair hand for value here.

That said, checkraising the river here is going to look like a busted draw a lot of the time because you can't expect him to believe that you wouldn't three bet the turn w/ a set or two pair seeing as how there are approximately 1.6 million straight/flush draws on the turn in a multiway pot and, again, you would want to jam with a made hand there. The more I write the more I think check/fold is the right play, actually. Your line is going to look too fishy.

[rabiddog]

i think check/fold is better. why did you limp in PF? i think if you had raised PF you could have set that hand up better. im just getting back into cash games though, so what do i know.

[terrellk11]

Depends too much on your opponent. Any numbers on villain?

[valueshove]

Just fold.

And flat calling the turn and c/r the river isn't very believable anyhow. The only possible hands you'd do this with is 34 and maybe 22, both of which fold the turn so your range is nearly all bluffs. Don't think he ever folds enough to make a bluff here profitable, especially since he minraised the turn and is probably pretty bad.

[BrandonPL]

Originally Posted by rabiddog

i think check/fold is better. why did you limp in PF? i think if you had raised PF you could have set that hand up better. im just getting back into cash games though, so what do i know.

I don't really like the raise with two limpers in front with this type of hand. If you get reraised behind, then you have to lay down the hand.

I would rather see a cheap multi-way flop here.


As for shoving the river, I guess you could, but I personally am not making that move very often if ever. Against these ****tards, all you need to do is play straight forward poker.