Flopped Set vs Very Tight Opponent

[BrandonPL]

Villain is running a 13.1 VPIP over a substantial number of hands. He c-bets only 60% and has a total postflop aggression of 2.0.

I smooth call the flop for a number of reason.

What are your thoughts on the turn play and what is your river play?



Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

UTG ($40)
UTG+1 ($296.15)
MP1 ($83)
Hero ($377.80)
CO ($80)
Button ($200)
SB ($33.95)
BB ($56.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with , .
UTG+1 calls $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, CO checks, Button calls $2, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($12) , , (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $12, Hero calls $12, CO calls $12, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($48) (4 players)
UTG+1 bets $38, Hero calls $38, CO folds.

River: ($124) (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $80, Hero ????????

[zarger11]

I am relatively new to cash games, but the way it was played, I just call the river. I would of preferred to raise the flop because of the flush draw, or at least raise the turn. But since you have smooth called each street, and with his lack of a preflop raise, I dont see him with QQ, AK or AQ. AJ, maybe, but unlikely. My biggest fear here a set of 6's, but if that is the case, I am not sure how you fold this without having raised on a previous street.

[valueshove]

Considering he open limped, he's probably pretty awful. The only hand you're behind to is 66, which is a possibility, But not raising that flop is absolutely criminal with 3 players to act behind you. Givin that you didn't raise the flop raise the turn anyway. It's still 3way on a drawy board.

I guess calling the river is ok, as all you really beat is Adxd, but because he's retarded I'll tend to shove anyway as retards show up with more stuff than you expect. cooler if he had 66

[BrandonPL]

Originally Posted by valueshove

Considering he open limped, he's probably pretty awful. The only hand you're behind to is 66, which is a possibility, But not raising that flop is absolutely criminal with 3 players to act behind you. Givin that you didn't raise the flop raise the turn anyway. It's still 3way on a drawy board.

I guess calling the river is ok, as all you really beat is Adxd, but because he's retarded I'll tend to shove anyway as retards show up with more stuff than you expect. cooler if he had 66

I didn;t raise the flop because of a player behind me who is a major squeeze happy tard on all streets. He has a flop aggression of over 6.

Additionally the player who lead out would fold EVERY hand here unless he has me beat.

Also, I am more than able to fold this hand to a bad turn card. My goal in this hand is to attempt to win a big pot with a well disguised hand.

[Sharukh10]

Raising the flop or the turn given your relative position gives your hand away. I like the way you played it, I raise the flop against brain dead morons but in this case i think you played it optimally.

Do you think he is limping AKs, A10s,or Ajs from up front. This looks like 66 or maybe AA. Folding isn't bad.

[rabiddog]

he's either on a diamond draw with an ace and trying to build the pot on the flop. or he could have AQ, but he probably would have raised that PF. On the turn the ace hit, giving him top pair still with a flush draw. and the river gave him a set of aces. he could have 66 if so your beat. i went 1/3 the other day with full houses that got beat by bigger rivered full house, all in one hours time. i think it would have been best to raise the turn and try to get him all in there. to me it looks like your trying to control the pot size to keep it from getting out of hand till you know you have him beat.

[valueshove]

Originally Posted by Sharukh10

Raising the flop or the turn given your relative position gives your hand away. I like the way you played it, I raise the flop against brain dead morons but in this case i think you played it optimally.

What?

So an aggro player like brandon only raises this flop with a set? come on


oh btw I raise this pf 99% of the time

[BrandonPL]

Originally Posted by valueshove

What?

So an aggro player like brandon only raises this flop with a set? come on


oh btw I raise this pf 99% of the time

I don't only raise the flop with sets, but he would fold most anything but a set or a big draw to me if I do raise him on the flop.


I raise this pf a large majority of the time also, but in this hand I just decided to make it one of the times I do limp behind. I've been working on mixing up my limp behind ranges here some so that it is harder for the regs to range me.

[Sharukh10]

Valueshove,

Brandon is first to act after the bettor bets with 4 people behind him. He has the worst relative position and a raise is a huge sign of strength. I don't see many hands besides sets and 5d7d (i probably call with this and most big draws in this spot actually) that i'd raise on this flop if the opponent were a regular. This isn't a situation where the bettor is betting enough BS to give you a lot of fold equity. This is a limped pot where a tight player who probably isn't limping QJ or KQo UTG bets out into 5 players.

[BrandonPL]

Hand results:

BrandonPL time banks down to 5 seconds and types into the chat "I know this is the worst call ever."

Finally I called. The sick part is looking back on the hand, I think my call was more about just proving I was right about his hand than anything else.

Anyways, he had 66.

However, I don't really feel like this was a cooler like many other set under set situations. This one was obvious I was beat and I need to make that fold.

[Huy Bam]

Meh...kinda upset that I saw results before posting, but yea, he definitely has 66 or missed diamonds here. I like raising on the flop and getting away from it if he 3bets...It seems like he's rarely going to be bluffin the worst hand, so don't give him odds to draw out on the flush draw and feel confident about folding to a raise on the flop.

[icecoldriva]

hrmmm.... this was played a wierd way. I don't think you should flat call the flop unless you know the other guy is 3 betting. You have to raise here with 44 because it is a dangerous flop and he knows you probably raise a lot of draws here so if he has AQ, KK, AA he has to give you action, likewise if he has a flush draw he also probably calls to see another card since you are so deep. flat calling gives you no info and gives him access to lots of options. I guess you said he was tight but you didn't mention if he is passive. a passive player may limp AQ, pps, KK or AA even sometimes to slow play which would make his range wider. If he is tight but raises all those hands then I guess you could probably put him on a pp that hit a set if you know him really really well. if I had just sat with this guy I would probably have raised the limper preflop, he probably would have called and donk bet the flop and i probably would have raised and got in as much as possible on the flop. If you get set over set you are gonna have to go broke basically but you can't give free cards.

[TIDIDIOT]

You are missing value against flushdraw and top pair if you just flat call the flop, the way to No limit cash game is to get in the money as fast as possible

[TIDIDIOT]

And also your missing value against K K and AA