Getting some decent strat hands today against some disgustingly aggro players

[philivey123422]

Standard 3bet by me, smokingjoep is crazy aggro even though he probably had a big hand here, can you call the 4bet and go for the set or you just lay this down? Also, what kind of trouble does a flop like 8 3 2 bring were you to flat?

PokerStars Game #15853726341: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/03/09 - 11:39:23 (ET)
Table 'Swope II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Gino_L21 ($250.20 in chips)
Seat 2: wily_eagle ($95.95 in chips)
Seat 3: philivey6922 ($215.75 in chips)
Seat 4: smokingjoep ($404 in chips)
Seat 5: bouh ($392.35 in chips)
Seat 6: ShawnsBadBoy ($173.35 in chips)
philivey6922: posts small blind $1
smokingjoep: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to philivey6922 [Ts Th]
bouh: folds
ShawnsBadBoy: raises $4 to $6
Gino_L21: folds
wily_eagle: folds
philivey6922: raises $15 to $21
smokingjoep: raises $27 to $48
ShawnsBadBoy: folds

[BrandonPL]

It's going to cost you $27 more to call leaving you with $167.75 which he has covered.

If you are turning the hand into specifically a set mining situation (where you will fold any flop w/o a set) then you cannot call here. You need to be getting 10-1 implied odds on the $27 call, meaning you would still need to have a minimum of $270 behind as long as he had that covered in order to set mine profitable.

If you think you are potentially ahead already, then set mining odds don't really matter.

Personally, I think I fold here almost every time unless its against a very specific player.

[valueshove]

Yeah what brandon said. folding >>shoving >> calling

[dmk]

standard fold

[rkm140]

easy fold.

[mutigers5591]

ya you really cant call this

[Matixboy]

What they said.. Fold this 100% of the time unless u have very specific read on villian