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Old March 21st, 2008, 10:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok heres the hand 25 50 cent pot limit hold em i flop top set nuts and guy pputs in third raise i pretty sure he has a set too slight chance hesgetting nuts with nut flush is it always jsut correct to get all in on flop this board was draw heavy so ididnt want a scare card to come off like to hear some opinions on this situation heres the hand

Full Tilt Poker Game #5720932347: Table Rialto (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - Pot Limit Hold'em - 4:50:54 ET - 2008/03/21
Seat 1: Ganesch84 ($86.35)
Seat 2: Detroit Grinder ($137.90)
Seat 3: CrackDeezNuts ($17.30)
Seat 4: LaynLow111 ($144.10), is sitting out
Seat 5: Johhny Rocket ($68.35)
Seat 6: fun72 ($18.75)
Ganesch84 posts the small blind of $0.25
Detroit Grinder posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Detroit Grinder [Jd Jc]
CrackDeezNuts folds
Detroit Grinder: had a feeling nh
Johhny Rocket calls $0.50
fun72 calls $0.50
Detroit Grinder: almost muckedon flop
Ganesch84 has 15 seconds left to act
Ganesch84 calls $0.25
Detroit Grinder raises to $2.50
Johhny Rocket calls $2
fun72 folds
Ganesch84 calls $2
*** FLOP *** [9d Js 2s]
Ganesch84 has 15 seconds left to act
Ganesch84 bets $0.50
Detroit Grinder raises to $2
Johhny Rocket calls $2
Ganesch84 has 15 seconds left to act
Ganesch84 raises to $16
Detroit Grinder has 15 seconds left to act
Detroit Grinder raises to $30
Johhny Rocket folds
Ganesch84 raises to $83.85, and is all in
Detroit Grinder calls $53.85
Ganesch84 shows [2c 2d]
Detroit Grinder shows [Jd Jc]
*** TURN *** [9d Js 2s] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [9d Js 2s 5d] [Qc]
Ganesch84 shows three of a kind, Twos
Detroit Grinder shows three of a kind, Jacks
Detroit Grinder wins the pot ($174.70) with three of a kind, Jacks
Ganesch84 adds $50
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $177.70 | Rake $3
Board: [9d Js 2s 5d Qc]
Seat 1: Ganesch84 (small blind) showed [2c 2d] and lost with three of a kind, Twos
Seat 2: Detroit Grinder (big blind) showed [Jd Jc] and won ($174.70) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 3: CrackDeezNuts didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: LaynLow111 is sitting out
Seat 5: Johhny Rocket folded on the Flop
Seat 6: fun72 (button) folded before the Flop
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Old March 21st, 2008, 08:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If I have an opportunity to get all in on that flop I will every time. Hes either going to have a smaller set that he might shut down with if a scare card hits, or he is going to have a big draw which you will be close to even money with. Either way, you are +EV against that range and I would much rather try to get all in right there in case a really bad card hits and causes him to shut down with a set.
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Old March 21st, 2008, 08:18 PM   #3 (permalink)
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yeah get it in.

Whats with your flop raise? The pots like 8.50 and you made it 2?
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yeah brandon that is my motivation with getting it on the flop against this board there are jsut way to many scare cards that can hit turn with spades and the amount of striaght draws that the turn brings i really dont see how he could have anything else other than a set there
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yeah brandon that is my motivation with getting it on the flop against this board there are jsut way to many scare cards that can hit turn with spades and the amount of striaght draws that the turn brings i really dont see how he could have anything else other than a set there
I do not like the size of the flop raise at all now that I see it. Your raise should be to $8 or so.
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Old March 22nd, 2008, 03:41 AM   #6 (permalink)
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yeah your right it should be more one reason i did make a small raise thoug h in my mind was this guy was continuing to lead out into my raises and i really jsut wasnt concerened with the thrid player in the pot maybe i should have been but i just thought he had nothing casue of how many hands he was calling i really had a feeling aq i was going to bust the villian and didnt want to lsoe him he had cought some junk on turn and river and bet big in previous hands and got real aggressive in any sizeable pot althoug h i do think at leas t0 maybe 4 or 5 was in ordr good point also he had called a lot of huge bets on turn with draws i had planned on him leading into me on the turn again after he called flop like he had done 4 or 5 times before
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