Bad Play by me? (Need feedback plz)

[HiroReborn]

I figured slowplaying was a smart move. If I raised it would've possibly gotten them all to fold. Should I have auto assumed the Kd when the 4th D hit?

PokerStars Game #16323761414: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/03/28 - 21:37:31 (ET)
Table 'Medusa V' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: HiroReborn ($47.95 in chips)
Seat 2: jrmiller86 ($41.85 in chips)
Seat 3: goingcrazyw2 ($59.05 in chips)
Seat 4: steinfurt ($59.30 in chips)
Seat 6: Stuifje ($61.55 in chips)
goingcrazyw2: posts small blind $0.25
steinfurt: posts big blind $0.50
keketeam: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HiroReborn [Qd Jd]
Stuifje: folds
HiroReborn: raises $1.50 to $2
jrmiller86: calls $2
goingcrazyw2: calls $1.75
steinfurt: raises $1.50 to $3.50
HiroReborn: calls $1.50
jrmiller86: calls $1.50
goingcrazyw2: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [Ad Td 8d]
goingcrazyw2: checks
steinfurt: bets $3
HiroReborn: calls $3
jrmiller86: calls $3
goingcrazyw2: folds
*** TURN *** [Ad Td 8d] [6d]
steinfurt: checks
HiroReborn: checks
jrmiller86: bets $3
steinfurt: folds
HiroReborn: calls $3
*** RIVER *** [Ad Td 8d 6d] [Ks]
HiroReborn: checks
jrmiller86: bets $5
HiroReborn: calls $5
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jrmiller86: shows [Kd Ah] (a flush, Ace high)
HiroReborn: shows [Qd Jd] (a flush, Ace high - lower cards)
jrmiller86 collected $37.15 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $39 | Rake $1.85
Board [Ad Td 8d 6d Ks]
Seat 1: HiroReborn showed [Qd Jd] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: jrmiller86 (button) showed [Kd Ah] and won ($37.15) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: goingcrazyw2 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: steinfurt (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: Stuifje folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[BrandonPL]

I probably call down there with the size of his bets.

I understand the reasoning for slow playing the flop, but personally I pump that flop almost every time because it has an ace on it. With the preflop action, AA, AK, AQ are all very possible and I want to try to build a pot now for two reasons.

One, a 4th spade hitting will usually kill your action unless you are beat.

Two, someone with one of those hands (AA, AK, AQ) often feel they have to protect their hand against a flush draw in this situation and are often willing to go broke doing it. Rarely do people give someone a made flush when they raise that flop.

[HiroReborn]

Originally Posted by BrandonPL

I probably call down there with the size of his bets.

I understand the reasoning for slow playing the flop, but personally I pump that flop almost every time because it has an ace on it. With the preflop action, AA, AK, AQ are all very possible and I want to try to build a pot now for two reasons.

One, a 4th spade hitting will usually kill your action unless you are beat.

Two, someone with one of those hands (AA, AK, AQ) often feel they have to protect their hand against a flush draw in this situation and are often willing to go broke doing it. Rarely do people give someone a made flush when they raise that flop.

Should I have been able to see that Kd coming though? Even with his betting... meh. I dunno.

This is why I'm playin--jus tryin to tune up the game. thanks for the feedback.

[BrandonPL]

Originally Posted by HiroReborn

Should I have been able to see that Kd coming though? Even with his betting... meh. I dunno.

This is why I'm playin--jus tryin to tune up the game. thanks for the feedback.

Usually in this case I would say he likely has 2nd or 3rd nut flush but since you have both of those cards covered, I think its very likely he has the king of diamonds. He could still have the ten or even be betting AA.

I dunno. For me, I would look at his VPIP number and aggression factors. If hes not aggressive at all and now all the sudden hes betting 3 streets, I would give him credit for the K. If hes loose and aggressive, its very possible he is betting a worse hand.

[HiroReborn]

Originally Posted by BrandonPL

Usually in this case I would say he likely has 2nd or 3rd nut flush but since you have both of those cards covered, I think its very likely he has the king of diamonds. He could still have the ten or even be betting AA.

I dunno. For me, I would look at his VPIP number and aggression factors. If hes not aggressive at all and now all the sudden hes betting 3 streets, I would give him credit for the K. If hes loose and aggressive, its very possible he is betting a worse hand.

Table conditions made me debate on the Kd, but taking into consideration his style of play I determined it to be unlikely. But simply calling his bets made it so JUST in case he did have it I took the least amount possible off my stack.

The way I played it I think could've been a bit better, maybe be a bit more aggro on flop but based on the results I'd say he'd probably call any raise or even a push.

[BrandonPL]

Originally Posted by HiroReborn

but based on the results I'd say he'd probably call any raise or even a push.

You should never worry about the results of the hand though. Worry about if you played it as good as possible.

[HiroReborn]

Originally Posted by BrandonPL

You should never worry about the results of the hand though. Worry about if you played it as good as possible.

yea, good point. Results oriented is retarded.

Still, seeing his hand... natural logic is to think you're golden with topPtopK AND nut flush draw, eh?

Most of the time.. you will indeed be good. MOST of the time.

[mburke05]

Originally Posted by HiroReborn

yea, good point. Results oriented is retarded.

Still, seeing his hand... natural logic is to think you're golden with topPtopK AND nut flush draw, eh?

Most of the time.. you will indeed be good. MOST of the time.

Not really;

With that many raises and calls pre flop, he's got to be nervous about just having top pair with a draw into the flush; there are a huge range of hands represented at the table. I think if you raise big on the flop you're making the profitable bet in the long run.

[AmbroseBurnside]

brandon and anyone else, im curious what anyone might think about raising on the turn. with both players checking to jrmiller, its possible he might just be taking a small stab at the pot. if you lets say checkraise him on the turn to $8, you can really get an idea where you are in the hand. and its very possible youre still good at this point. he could be making this bet with two pair or an A with a low flush kicker.