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Old April 11th, 2008, 04:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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3bet, flatcall, or even fold? If you 3bet like I did, what do you do on the flop?

PokerStars Game #xxxxxxxx: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/04/10 - 22:57:55 (ET)
Table 'Ilmari II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: tonyfun ($76.90 in chips)
Seat 2: zeroweek ($195.10 in chips)
Seat 3: bzat4 ($208.20 in chips)
Seat 4: thanhquang20 ($120 in chips)
Seat 5: zukes2000 ($383.35 in chips)
Seat 6: philivey6922 ($200 in chips)
philivey6922: posts small blind $1
tonyfun: posts big blind $2
thanhquang20: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to philivey6922 [Qh Ah]
zeroweek: folds
bzat4: raises $10 to $12
thanhquang20: calls $10
thanhquang20 said, "hello babe"
zukes2000: folds
philivey6922: raises $24 to $36
tonyfun: folds
bzat4: calls $24
thanhquang20: folds
*** FLOP *** [4s Kd Td]
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Old April 14th, 2008, 04:50 PM   #2 (permalink)

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It would really help if we had some kind of read here. 3betting, calling and folding can all be acceptable. If I 3bet this I would make it $48 with the cold caller.

Standard 3betting for me is 3-3.5x the raise when I have position, 3.5-4x when I am out of position and when there are cold callers I treat them pretty much as limpers. E.g add an extra 1x the open raise per caller. Works for me.

If I checks to us I would probably fire this flop since alot of his range - QQ/JJ/99/88 should fold. However, there is a big argument here for me in favour of a check behind. I like checking gutshots behind because they can't stand a check-raise and we have nut outs so we should take the free card and if he was slowplaying KK/TT we then stack him on turn.

No definitive answer but some points which would influence my decision

Edit: I misread that we were on button. OOP its just a check-fold in a 3 way pot.

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Old April 14th, 2008, 06:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Being in the small blind I'd opt to call instead of threebetting. I probably fold the flop to a strong continuation bet, though I might call a small bet if the other guy comes along as well.
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Old April 14th, 2008, 06:28 PM   #4 (permalink)

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I would have 3bet bigger Both players raised/called 6x BBs already so I doubt either of them are going away for another $24.
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