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Old February 10th, 2008, 04:16 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Okay, I know there's no way I can see the BB holding AA, but from the position I was in when the guy raised to 600, I put him on big cards, and I was looking to steal...was that really really stupid...just wondering. Come to find out I was 3rd preflop in that hand, but I'm just wondering about the play in general...Hindsight shows I was curshed, but just wondering what others think:

PokerStars Game #15192875531: Tournament #77004998, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/02/10 - 11:10:23 (ET)
Table '77004998 5' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: diezel99 (2175 in chips)
Seat 2: cathar_here (2195 in chips)
Seat 3: sausemaus (4690 in chips)
Seat 4: guigyk (4740 in chips)
Seat 6: masterklap (1850 in chips)
Seat 7: Foragido (3760 in chips)
Seat 8: JDIowa (2180 in chips)
Seat 9: GtS82 (955 in chips)
sausemaus: posts small blind 100
guigyk: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cathar_here [4h 4s]
masterklap: folds
Foragido: folds
JDIowa: folds
GtS82: folds
diezel99: raises 400 to 600
cathar_here: raises 1595 to 2195 and is all-in
sausemaus: raises 2495 to 4690 and is all-in
guigyk: folds
diezel99: calls 1575 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [3d Th Qc]
*** TURN *** [3d Th Qc] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [3d Th Qc 3s] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sausemaus: shows [Ah Ac] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
cathar_here: shows [4h 4s] (two pair, Fours and Threes)
diezel99 said, "yes"
sausemaus collected 40 from side pot
diezel99: shows [Qh Qd] (a full house, Queens full of Threes)
diezel99 collected 6725 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6765 Main pot 6725. Side pot 40. | Rake 0
Board [3d Th Qc 3s 9d]
Seat 1: diezel99 showed [Qh Qd] and won (6725) with a full house, Queens full of Threes
Seat 2: cathar_here (button) showed [4h 4s] and lost with two pair, Fours and Threes
Seat 3: sausemaus (small blind) showed [Ah Ac] and won (40) with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 4: guigyk (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: masterklap folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Foragido folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: JDIowa folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: GtS82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Old February 10th, 2008, 04:19 PM   #2 (permalink)

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It's fine if he'd been LAG and stealing alot, otherwise generally it's a fold.
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Old February 10th, 2008, 04:22 PM   #3 (permalink)

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He was playing fairly laggy in a lot of hands, but well, and he had raised from that position pretty frequently...but, in retrospect I'm generally gonna be 55/45 at best cause he's obviously gonna have overs. So, if the steal doesn't work, I'm not in all that good a shape right? So, in general fold might be good...but was just tired of him raising from that position and folding and I figured I had a chance he didn't like his hand.

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But, little did I know my 44 was behind QQ and AA...lol
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I think you're basically calling allin with your fours here, because he only had 2100 and raised 600, and a decent player wouldn't raise/fold there ever. Wait for a better spot.
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Even if he's been laggy, I don't like it. He has to call 1595 into 2995 (math?). That's a little less than 2-1. If I'm getting 2-1 in a hand I opened (assuming HU), I call pretty much anything I'm willing to raise. I don't think we have much FE w/ him getting 1.8-1 (or whatever it is) if he is loose. If he has shown a tendency to raise/fold, I think this is kinda ok.
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Old February 10th, 2008, 06:39 PM   #6 (permalink)

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oh, I thought you had 2.6k, misread it.

Since you have no Fe, def. fold.

If you had FE then it would be alot closer.
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I'm on the fold bandwagon as well.
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