did i do the wrong thing at the river here?

hanky71 · February 11th, 2008, 08:42 PM

PokerStars Game #15216852954: Tournament #77010134, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/02/11 - 15:37:24 (ET)
Table '77010134 305' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Torkill (6085 in chips)
Seat 2: justdoit77 (4495 in chips)
Seat 3: bennymac81 (6750 in chips)
Seat 4: hanky71 (6965 in chips)
Seat 5: Krelland (9430 in chips)
Seat 6: Tjalling77 (3925 in chips)
Seat 7: rexislave (5680 in chips)
Seat 8: mdko4 (5510 in chips)
Seat 9: javaman76 (8600 in chips)
justdoit77: posts small blind 75
bennymac81: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hanky71 [6s 6h]
hanky71: calls 150
Krelland: raises 450 to 600
Tjalling77: folds
rexislave: folds
mdko4: folds
javaman76: folds
Torkill: folds
justdoit77: folds
bennymac81: folds
hanky71: calls 450
*** FLOP *** [6c 7h 6d]
hanky71: checks
Krelland: bets 600
hanky71: calls 600
*** TURN *** [6c 7h 6d] [3h]
hanky71: checks
Krelland: bets 1500
hanky71: calls 1500
*** RIVER *** [6c 7h 6d 3h] [3c]
hanky71: bets 2700
Krelland: folds
hanky71 collected 5625 from pot
hanky71: shows [6s 6h] (four of a kind, Sixes)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5625 | Rake 0
Board [6c 7h 6d 3h 3c]
Seat 1: Torkill (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: justdoit77 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: bennymac81 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: hanky71 collected (5625)
Seat 5: Krelland folded on the River
Seat 6: Tjalling77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: rexislave folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: mdko4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: javaman76 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

any thoughts would be helpful.

thanks in advance.

tokeRJallDAY · February 11th, 2008, 08:49 PM

eh, interesting hand.

you have to approach this hand as if the river 3 didn't help him. I figure him for an overpair or just big cards here.

check/raising can be argued, but with bets on flop and turn, i probably check river too.

JimTheFish · February 11th, 2008, 09:36 PM

you checked the whole way and all of a sudden you jump out like the 3 on the river helped you...
imo
i check there as well...either he checks and sees your winning hand for free, or he bets and you can re-pop him.

either way...he folded to your bet so betting out right there was the wrong play imo

hanky71 · February 11th, 2008, 10:34 PM

ok thanks for that

nsinger · February 11th, 2008, 10:53 PM

One alternate line you might think about using is making a small lead bet on the turn here. Most of the time when someone check/calls the flop and then leads small on thet turn they are trying to get a cheap card, typically with a draw or a very marginal hand, like 87 or something. An aggressive player will often raise this turn bet regardless of their hand. In this spot he either has an overpair or unpaired high cards. If he has an overpair you're probably getting his money regardless, whereas you have to be tricky to really get paid when he has air. If you lead small on the turn and he raises, I would smooth call and then lead small again on the river if a low card comes or checkraise if an A K or Q drops. I think that's the best way to maximize value from both his overpairs and unpaired high cards.

Sprocket21 · February 12th, 2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nsinger

One alternate line you might think about using is making a small lead bet on the turn here. Most of the time when someone check/calls the flop and then leads small on thet turn they are trying to get a cheap card, typically with a draw or a very marginal hand, like 87 or something. An aggressive player will often raise this turn bet regardless of their hand. In this spot he either has an overpair or unpaired high cards. If he has an overpair you're probably getting his money regardless, whereas you have to be tricky to really get paid when he has air. If you lead small on the turn and he raises, I would smooth call and then lead small again on the river if a low card comes or checkraise if an A K or Q drops. I think that's the best way to maximize value from both his overpairs and unpaired high cards.

I love this idea but it's a $3 tournament and in that regard I think this guy would have folded to any bet on the turn in my opinion. He played it well all the way through. The bet amount might have been to high though, I would have done a smaller bet like 1000 to entice him and make him think you were making a move. all in all, you got a decent amount and probably would have only gotten a few hundred more. I personally don't like checking the river cause if he shuts down, you would have never known what you could have gotten