was this hand played bad?

[viper31573]

i won it but the guy i beat seemed to think i should of folded at some point


PokerStars Game #15302391964: Tournament #77206138, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/02/15 - 14:48:47 (ET)
Table '77206138 177' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: markaustin1 (4240 in chips)
Seat 2: pmoneyx1 (5275 in chips)
Seat 3: viper31573 (3565 in chips)
Seat 4: twhite22 (2145 in chips)
Seat 5: max46 (5195 in chips)
Seat 6: smiragol (810 in chips)
markaustin1: posts small blind 25
pmoneyx1: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to viper31573 [Jd Jh]
viper31573: raises 150 to 200
twhite22: folds
max46: folds
smiragol: folds
markaustin1: folds
pmoneyx1: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [7d 5s Ks]
pmoneyx1: checks
viper31573: bets 350
pmoneyx1: raises 650 to 1000
viper31573: calls 650
*** TURN *** [7d 5s Ks] [4d]
pmoneyx1: checks
viper31573: checks
*** RIVER *** [7d 5s Ks 4d] [5c]
pmoneyx1: bets 1450
viper31573: raises 915 to 2365 and is all-in
pmoneyx1: calls 915
*** SHOW DOWN ***
viper31573: shows [Jd Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Fives)
pmoneyx1: shows [Qd Jc] (a pair of Fives)
viper31573 collected 7155 from pot
pmoneyx1 said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7155 | Rake 0
Board [7d 5s Ks 4d 5c]
Seat 1: markaustin1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: pmoneyx1 (big blind) showed [Qd Jc] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 3: viper31573 showed [Jd Jh] and won (7155) with two pair, Jacks and Fives
Seat 4: twhite22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: max46 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: smiragol (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[viper31573]

then the guy asked the stupidest question. "did you really think your jacks were good" why would you ask someone who just shoved all in over the top of you that question? of course i believed they were good,cause i called.

[cardsfan04]

3bet or fold flop.

[daomonk]

stop worrying about what someone in a $2 tourney says. U listen to them more than use. Turn off chat

Listen to what cards said too.

[sizzlinbetta]

i honestly never ever understand anything your thinking... seriously please tell me thought process on each action every bet every street every action both ways cuz i swear it doesn't make sense

[viper31573]

Originally Posted by sizzlinbetta

i honestly never ever understand anything your thinking... seriously please tell me thought process on each action every bet every street every action both ways cuz i swear it doesn't make sense

Originally Posted by sizzlinbetta

i honestly never ever understand anything your thinking... seriously please tell me thought process on each action every bet every street every action both ways cuz i swear it doesn't make sense

well obv i raised pre cause i had a top 10 hand. he flat called me,so i eliminate AA KK QQ cause i would think he would re raise. so at this point im putting him on a small-mid pair,. so i continue bet the flop,hes putting me on a big ace and missing the flop completely.he raises me.now this could mean several things. there is a flush draw out there,maybe he has Ax suited.there is a straight out there,maybe hes drawing to that,so i flat call and see the turn. its a 4,doesnt help the flush draw,helps the straight,but he checks,so i check behind him to see what the river does.river neither helps the straight or the flush. he bets the river,but doesnt shove,so now im posative hes weak because of his check on the turn,so i shove teh rest of my chips knowing hes pot commited and i won the pot. now that ive explained,does it make sense?

[cardsfan04]

well obv i raised pre cause i had a top 10 hand.

Good.

he flat called me,so i eliminate AA KK QQ cause i would think he would re raise.

Probably good thought given stack depths, but don't completely discount it.

so at this point im putting him on a small-mid pair,.

Why? People call w/ hands like KQ/KJ/QJ/AK/AQ/AJ/Ax/JT/etc. Be careful not to limit people's ranges too much w/ little info.

so i continue bet the flop,hes putting me on a big ace and missing the flop completely.he raises me.

Why is he putting you on a big ace that missed? Wouldn't AK have hit the flop? I don't understand your rationale for him thinking you had something like AQ/AJ. Doesn't make any sense to me. Could you elaborate? I'm not saying this isn't possible, but that's too narrow of a thought process.

now this could mean several things. there is a flush draw out there,maybe he has Ax suited.there is a straight out there,maybe hes drawing to that,so i flat call and see the turn.

His raise means one of a few things. He could think you are CBetting after missing. He could have a K. He could have a draw. So how do we play against these? If he has a K, we are drawing to 2 outs, so calling is absolutely horrible. If he has a draw, we want him to pay for it, so calling is absolutely horrible. If he has a mid pair that missed the flop a call could be ok, but the risk/reward when factoring in the rest of his range makes the trapping benefit negligible.

its a 4,doesnt help the flush draw,helps the straight,but he checks,so i check behind him to see what the river does.

Given your flop action, I don't mind this.

river neither helps the straight or the flush. he bets the river,but doesnt shove,so now im posative hes weak because of his check on the turn,so i shove teh rest of my chips knowing hes pot commited and i won the pot. now that ive explained,does it make sense?

This isn't horrible, but I like a call MUCH more. You don't have a very strong hand here. You think he might have missed a draw. If you think you are either beat or he missed a draw, raising is terrible because you get no extra value in it, but lose chips when you are beat. I agree turn check makes him look ~weak, but you have to be careful. Tricky players sometimes check the turn to trigger your thought process and get paid off.

I guess I understand your thought process now, but it's a major leak.

[sizzlinbetta]

cards sums it up...i think you, you think you have total reads and control but in reality you don't have any reads here...you put him on a mid pair, a flush draw, and a straight draw...that's way to wide basically any card is killing you and there is an over...ok you dont play the hand horribly but the guy you play against out plays you, you just are a calling station...the fact of the matter is this is the way you play a weak king i rr and the fact you still call makes me think i'm out kicked however on the turn you check so i figure you have 88-qq and the river we cap out...do realize at all major levels your only gonna rr into hands that have you beat so that makes no sense what so ever to raise on the river even if you try to logic it is right...and also you need to start thinking about the hand logically

"i raised and he has a small pair"-why?
he has a flush draw-why?
he could have a straight draw-wtf cards do you think he's playing

[bestbuy02]

OK you played the hand bad but he played it worse, i dont care how much is in the middle..he cant call your all in on the river with QJ when he beats absolutely nothing. Plus you need to either reraise that flop or fold, lean more towards folding here

[bestbuy02]

Plus you gave that donk 2 chances to fold his garbage, he decided to go crazy with QJ, LOLDONKAMENTS