45 man 9 left

cubbierae · February 12th, 2008, 01:49 AM

Would this be fairly standard shove?

PokerStars Game #15223848996: Tournament #77117130, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/02/11 - 20:42:21 (ET)
Table '77117130 2' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: cubbierae (4488 in chips)
Seat 2: johnydeuces (12057 in chips)
Seat 3: Nunu43 (6998 in chips)
Seat 4: Aad29 (3687 in chips)
Seat 5: SammyB123 (6190 in chips)
Seat 6: FisherGod52 (4340 in chips)
Seat 7: sixesinthole (17447 in chips)
Seat 8: kill2birds (7690 in chips)
Seat 9: just1cool (4603 in chips)
cubbierae: posts the ante 25
johnydeuces: posts the ante 25
Nunu43: posts the ante 25
Aad29: posts the ante 25
SammyB123: posts the ante 25
FisherGod52: posts the ante 25
sixesinthole: posts the ante 25
kill2birds: posts the ante 25
just1cool: posts the ante 25
Aad29: posts small blind 200
SammyB123: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cubbierae [As Qc]
FisherGod52: folds
sixesinthole: folds
kill2birds: raises 800 to 1200
just1cool: folds
cubbierae: raises 3263 to 4463 and is all-in
johnydeuces: folds
Nunu43: folds
Aad29: folds
SammyB123: folds
kill2birds: calls 3263
*** FLOP *** [2h 9s Kd]
*** TURN *** [2h 9s Kd] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [2h 9s Kd 3h] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kill2birds: shows [Ad Ks] (two pair, Kings and Nines)
cubbierae: shows [As Qc] (a pair of Nines)
kill2birds collected 9751 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9751 | Rake 0
Board [2h 9s Kd 3h 9c]
Seat 1: cubbierae showed [As Qc] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: johnydeuces folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Nunu43 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Aad29 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: SammyB123 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: FisherGod52 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: sixesinthole folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: kill2birds showed [Ad Ks] and won (9751) with two pair, Kings and Nines
Seat 9: just1cool folded before Flop (didn't bet)

The rest is in ghost text

mutigers5591 · February 12th, 2008, 02:04 AM

seems fine

The_None · February 12th, 2008, 08:46 AM

without reading results, I think given kill2birds's stack size he is going to have a premium hand here...these 45 mans are usually very tight here and with a short, but 3-4th place stack, kill2birds (assuming he thinks) is committed to this pot, so you have no fold equity with AQ, making this hopefully a coinflip, or hopefully he is a donk with AT, AJ, or KQ...

The_None · February 12th, 2008, 08:49 AM

yeah, that's a bummer, like I said - many times a decent player with this stack size and early position will only have a premium here - however I have seen so many times where same stack will fold to a reraise if the reraiser has him covered on these bubbles so I can't really fault you for pushing.

asgbawler · February 12th, 2008, 09:56 AM

Player dependent, I shove here over 90% of the time for sure

gogzy · February 12th, 2008, 02:59 PM

shove and close eyes

cathar_here · February 12th, 2008, 04:35 PM

If there's 9 left at this point and the blinds are only at 200/400 that tourney went pretty fast IMO, right? usually by Final table it's like 400/800 at least no?

Just wondering.

As for the hand, I think either decision is fine. Shove or fold but there are no other options. I agree that somebody that early and sitting in pretty good chip position is going to be on a premium hand, but Like others have said, I'm shoving there way more times than I'm folding. The only thing that might make it a little different is that 200/400 with 9 left. I still think I can be extremely choosey on hands played, no?

Anyone else feel that way?

PartTimePoker · February 12th, 2008, 11:19 PM

i think it comes down to the aggression level of the table. if you feel like you'll be getting a few chances to open raise in the upcoming hands, then i like a fold a little better.

i'd also like a raise a little better if the raiser were a few seats later and you could reasonably put AJ-, KQ- in their range, but i'm worried that i'm almost always racing at best here.

PartTimePoker · February 12th, 2008, 11:20 PM

also, c'mon:

http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/

Vedder1980 · February 13th, 2008, 12:26 AM

I think in a turbo = must shove. I havent played many normal speed 45's on stars but i think unless you really feel he is raising a large range a fold is a ogo doption here. Your keeping 11 bb behind which should be enough to aggressively steal into a lot more. A shove isnt bad im just not sure its optimum if you think you can outplay them.

Stu.

Acid Hound · February 13th, 2008, 09:23 AM

I cant see folding here with this stack unless you feel the table is passive and you could steal easy. But it would have to be real easy to steal to fold here IMO

UWjoe · February 13th, 2008, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Player dependent, I shove here over 90% of the time for sure

id would have needed to have notes that he was an uber nit pre bubble in these to fold here

cfortiz · February 13th, 2008, 01:47 PM

It depends... I have folded AQ several times preflop to raise or shove from a player with more chips just because I don't want to race against a player that will knock me out. however, here he only 3xBB raise, which gives you chance to push and hope for a fold, if he calls hope he has AJ or worse. You must have a read to act if not fold.

I have bubbled several 45man at FT cuz my chipstack is easily covered by others and i get AK and instashove and someone calls with QJ or A10 or Bottom PP and I lose the raise, so sometimes it is better to call or bet with them and play post flop even though you don't have enough chips. This is my personal opinion.

Hartlin · February 13th, 2008, 02:34 PM

Shove please.

Acid Hound · February 13th, 2008, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfortiz

It depends... I have folded AQ several times preflop to raise or shove from a player with more chips just because I don't want to race against a player that will knock me out. however, here he only 3xBB raise, which gives you chance to push and hope for a fold, if he calls hope he has AJ or worse. You must have a read to act if not fold.

I have bubbled several 45man at FT cuz my chipstack is easily covered by others and i get AK and instashove and someone calls with QJ or A10 or Bottom PP and I lose the raise, so sometimes it is better to call or bet with them and play post flop even though you don't have enough chips. This is my personal opinion.

I know you will get folds here sometimes, but you should assume you are getting called b/c hero only has 10 BB's. The original raiser is committed to calling all but the worst hands