February 12th, 2008, 01:49 AM
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other 45 man hand
Since I didnt want a duplicate post.....do u flat call or shove here?
PokerStars Game #15223009477: Tournament #77117130, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/02/11 - 20:04:27 (ET)
Table '77117130 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: just1cool (3965 in chips)
Seat 3: jhayjr (2430 in chips)
Seat 4: yogiteach_10 (1690 in chips)
Seat 5: willy3006 (1340 in chips)
Seat 6: cubbierae (2870 in chips)
Seat 7: Aad29 (6230 in chips)
Seat 8: Wotan2 (2495 in chips)
Seat 9: Akira1976 (1262 in chips)
cubbierae: posts small blind 75
Aad29: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cubbierae [8s 8c]
Wotan2: folds
Akira1976: folds
just1cool: folds
jhayjr: folds
yogiteach_10: folds
willy3006: raises 300 to 450
cubbierae: raises 2250 to 2700
Aad29: folds
willy3006: calls 890 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [7d Ks 2h]
*** TURN *** [7d Ks 2h] [Kd]
*** RIVER *** [7d Ks 2h Kd] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
cubbierae: shows [8s 8c] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
willy3006: shows [Jh Kh] (three of a kind, Kings)
willy3006 collected 2830 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2830 | Rake 0
Board [7d Ks 2h Kd 3c]
Seat 1: just1cool folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jhayjr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: yogiteach_10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: willy3006 (button) showed [Jh Kh] and won (2830) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 6: cubbierae (small blind) showed [8s 8c] and lost with two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 7: Aad29 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Wotan2 folded before Flop (di
Ghost text againdn't bet)
Seat 9: Akira1976 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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February 12th, 2008, 02:07 AM
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probably shove since its in late position although a shortie raising and not pushing raises eyebrows
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February 12th, 2008, 06:47 AM
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Yeah, you could have pushed him.
But on the other side, you could say that you are putting 50% of your stack on a coinflip, pretty early in the tournament. Then you could have flat called and re-evaluated the flop.
So, yeah, you have two choices.
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February 12th, 2008, 07:41 AM
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I shove for sure. I hate calling behind there and 88 clearly beats a typical short stacked players range there. Even if you called behind there you shouldnt be folding if he shoves that flop anyway.
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February 12th, 2008, 08:08 AM
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also if you lose you are down to 10x and still have a workable stack and can get back to where you were before, and if you win you have a 30x stack and are in great shape for the rest of the tournament
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February 12th, 2008, 09:58 AM
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shove all day
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February 12th, 2008, 01:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by herschelw
I shove for sure. I hate calling behind there and 88 clearly beats a typical short stacked players range there. Even if you called behind there you shouldnt be folding if he shoves that flop anyway.
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+1, you dont want to play a flop HU with 88
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February 12th, 2008, 02:58 PM
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i think by flat calling here you are giving the big blind odds to see a flop then you are 3 handed to a flop with only a pair of 8's
isolate and shove here take a coinflip if thats whats there, if he has a better hand than you then so be it, you will still have a semi-workable stack
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February 12th, 2008, 05:18 PM
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Shove.
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^ that being said it seems like all the big winners in the the 60/45s the last year or so, nsb incl., had serious ICM leaks and seemed to always operate closer to cEV, yet crush the games. so ICM probably is just a conspiracy to keep us all playing nitty while those in the know print money by playing straight cEV the whole time.
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February 12th, 2008, 05:56 PM
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Auto-Shove.
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February 13th, 2008, 02:03 PM
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he is practically all-in if you just call, so to avoid any more players in the pot, SHOVE and race with ur 88 against 1 guy u have covered in chips.
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February 13th, 2008, 02:29 PM
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easiest shove ever
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