Jj 12 45 Man

[pyschopathic2006]

The best way to play this hand

I didnt Cbet because anybody could have a K

Assume everything is the same and the flop is the same, always check fold here?

PokerStars Game #15252890214: Tournament #77268255, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/02/13 - 02:43:07 (ET)
Table '77268255 4' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: docholidayyy (1445 in chips)
Seat 2: pablooldaq (1665 in chips)
Seat 3: BEAVERNJ777 (3025 in chips)
Seat 4: nowayout00 (1180 in chips)
Seat 5: RocketsBall (2685 in chips)
Seat 6: easy12 (1305 in chips)
Seat 7: bubbadoch (505 in chips)
Seat 8: Puma76 (3450 in chips)
Seat 9: [M]e@T[H]e@D (885 in chips)
bubbadoch: posts small blind 25
Puma76: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RocketsBall [Jh Jc]
[M]e@T[H]e@D: folds
docholidayyy: folds
pablooldaq: folds
BEAVERNJ777: calls 50
nowayout00: calls 50
RocketsBall: raises 150 to 200
easy12: calls 200
bubbadoch: folds
Puma76: folds
BEAVERNJ777: calls 150
nowayout00: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [Kh Kd 9d]
BEAVERNJ777: checks
nowayout00: checks
RocketsBall: checks
easy12: bets 450
BEAVERNJ777: folds
nowayout00: folds
RocketsBall: folds
easy12 collected 875 from pot
easy12: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 875 | Rake 0
Board [Kh Kd 9d]
Seat 1: docholidayyy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: pablooldaq folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BEAVERNJ777 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: nowayout00 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: RocketsBall folded on the Flop
Seat 6: easy12 (button) collected (875)
Seat 7: bubbadoch (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Puma76 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: [M]e@T[H]e@D folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Acid Hound]

IMO, this is very very weak.

Raise at least 250 pre
Bet at least 550 on flop as played

easy didnt have a king, he stole it

[pyschopathic2006]

im not saying easy had one, but the chance that one of the 3 did have it would mean i waste 550 more etc

[Acid Hound]

There are four kings in a deck. 52 cards in a deck. each of those 3 players constitute 6 cards. The flop represents 3 of those 52 cards and 2 more in your hand. With the cards known (the flop and your hand) there are 47 cards left. Two kings are in those 47 cards. so 6/47*100= 12% So 12% of the time someone hit that king... Obv this is rough math but its not far off

Also, if your not saying he hit it, why did you fold? Why not call and re evaluate turn??

[pyschopathic2006]

he bet 450, he left himself with like 600, its hard to re evaluate dont u think cuz if i call and fold to his push which is most likely what he would do even if he didnt have a K, I lose 450 more chips

[pyschopathic2006]

he basically committed himself by betting half his stack at that point, so i think i could re evaluate turn unless i hit a J or a K peels off

I did finish 3rd in this btw by letting him steal if he was

[ChestersDad]

def bet more pre-flop; raise to 5x the BB because there are 2 limpers (3x the BB plus one more BB per limper)

even though you have a 4 way pot, once the 2 ppl behind you check, you have one person left to act, so def c-bet; there's only one opponent that has u covered -- the 2 guys with 1k-1300ish chips, if one of them has a K, then so be it and u can still recover, but i bet the flop

[NateTrib]

yea gotta raise more preflop, which will also make it easier on you on the flop

[PartTimePoker]

i'd make it more preflop because i think you actually look a little weaker and you might motivate one of the blinds to make a play based on that + the increased pot size.

i think you should bet the flop. you have pretty strong position here - the player still to act can't (easily) raise without a K because the two players in front would have checked a K, and the next player has the same fear about the remaining player. that leaves you with one opponent who just saw you show strength into a big field and is unlikely to play back at you with a weaker hand. if they do sometimes, so be it - you fold and still have a very playable stack.

what's also important is that you'd probably bet here if you did have a k, given the possible draws, the size of the pot and the fact the hand's playing 4 ways.

[PartTimePoker]

the 12% is off because there are more two card combos with a K in them that opps are likely to have than, say, a 4.

[Acid Hound]

Originally Posted by PartTimePoker

the 12% is off because there are more two card combos with a K in them that opps are likely to have than, say, a 4.

sorry, I dont understand I know its prob wrong but I'd say its in the ballpark no?

Sorry, I misread stacks, I still like the c/r or leading. Anything but folding here...

[pyschopathic2006]

PTP thats a real good analysis

[mutigers5591]

if i checked that flop i would push after the bet not fold