3 handed in a 180 turbo - wrong section but im after 45 man turbo players thoughts.

[Vedder1980]

Ok i thought this was a call as my read is hes shoving ATC, a well respected mtt player called me a donkey, thoughts please. Im now not sure it was a good call. I dont mind honesty

PokerStars Game #15359134746: Tournament #77746046, $11+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (2500/5000) - 2008/02/17 - 19:49:39 (ET)
Table '77746046 2' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Marsolinas (63370 in chips)
Seat 2: SirMoonMann (32042 in chips)
Seat 4: vedder1980 (174588 in chips)
Marsolinas: posts the ante 500
SirMoonMann: posts the ante 500
vedder1980: posts the ante 500
SirMoonMann: posts small blind 2500
vedder1980: posts big blind 5000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to vedder1980 [7h Kh]
Marsolinas: folds
SirMoonMann: raises 26542 to 31542 and is all-in
vedder1980: calls 26542
*** FLOP *** [9h Ad 2h]
*** TURN *** [9h Ad 2h] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [9h Ad 2h Qs] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SirMoonMann: shows [Jc Td] (a pair of Nines)
vedder1980: shows [7h Kh] (a pair of Nines - Ace+King kicker)
vedder1980 collected 64584 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 64584 | Rake 0
Board [9h Ad 2h Qs 9d]
Seat 1: Marsolinas (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: SirMoonMann (small blind) showed [Jc Td] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 4: vedder1980 (big blind) showed [7h Kh] and won (64584) with a pair of Nines

[mutigers5591]

a good player is probably pushing top 85% there IMO so someone just needs to pokerstove it..personally i dont know how to work the thing.....

[Vedder1980]

Originally Posted by mutigers5591

a good player is probably pushing top 85% there IMO so someone just needs to pokerstove it..personally i dont know how to work the thing.....

Is it worth noting that the chances of it being a good player are very slim

Stu.

[NateTrib]

good call especially with his stack

[joecast]

K high is plenty enough to call with here. He is gonna play ATC unless he has been playing like a rock and the other guy in 2nd might make a mistake. more often than not K high will be good and even if u lose you are still in 1st. Good call hands down

[MrDurden]

i call most of the time, unless the guy has been super tight.....i like to gamble in these spots. He is shoving here all day with any reasonable 2 i assume--and your K7h looks better than most reasonable 2 cards... and it doesnt hurt your stack much so your only worry is doubling up a good player (if he is) other than that....its snap call time

[Acid Hound]

There was an interesting video about calling ATC shoves. Basically sheets determined against a player you are ~90% sure is shoving ATC, you need to have K9o+ to call. This is to give you a reasonable edge over whatever they have and the times you run into K10+.

I think K7 is too light and combined with the fact he probably is not the best player in the world meaning he might shove tighter, its a fold IMO... Its always better to be shoving anyway so just ship J high next hand

[rayzor1748]

Not too sure if I like the call here... I would tend to think he wouldn't push against your stack with atc ... as he probably would fear being called by the big stack... of course being only 3 handed your playable hand range does increase abit; just personally hate risking doubling him up knowing (assuming) you're going into it behind to begin with...

[Vedder1980]

Originally Posted by rayzor1748

Not too sure if I like the call here... I would tend to think he wouldn't push against your stack with atc ... as he probably would fear being called by the big stack... of course being only 3 handed your playable hand range does increase abit; just personally hate risking doubling him up knowing (assuming) you're going into it behind to begin with...

Again i let the play at the table dictate my call. He hadnt had an unopened pot to get aggro with - as mu saw i won from 4 handed in about 11 hands. I think i may have been guilty of playing the rush a little, im not sure. I do think howether giving his rapidly dwindling stack and the ferocious nature of the blinds in these he almost had to shove there.

I do think its pretty tight and in another spot i could happily lay it down.

Stu.

[rayzor1748]

Originally Posted by Vedder1980

Again i let the play at the table dictate my call. He hadnt had an unopened pot to get aggro with - as mu saw i won from 4 handed in about 11 hands. I think i may have been guilty of playing the rush a little, im not sure. I do think howether giving his rapidly dwindling stack and the ferocious nature of the blinds in these he almost had to shove there.

I do think its pretty tight and in another spot i could happily lay it down.

Stu.

I can def see reasons to call , and reasons to fold... comes down to gut decisions sometimes and as you've said...playing that rush sometimes that's what makes poker so much damn fun
Honestly don't see anything terribly wrong with either decision..certainly not worthy of the "you're a donkey" comment for sure. But I still think I fold in that spot more often than not

[Vedder1980]

Originally Posted by rayzor1748

I can def see reasons to call , and reasons to fold... comes down to gut decisions sometimes and as you've said...playing that rush sometimes that's what makes poker so much damn fun
Honestly don't see anything terribly wrong with either decision..certainly not worthy of the "you're a donkey" comment for sure. But I still think I fold in that spot more often than not

I can understand that. These turbos are pretty much forming my profit right now so i think i have a good feel for these situations.

Stu.