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Old February 20th, 2008, 11:03 AM   #1 (permalink)

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I hate AJ period, unless I am HU, but even then I hate it.

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Table '78037879 2' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: Thomas21114 (1615 in chips)
Seat 4: obscuredd (2550 in chips)
Seat 6: BigChris78 (3785 in chips)
Seat 7: JusteBelmont (6195 in chips)
Seat 8: Dagazz (1275 in chips)
Seat 9: anwa71 (10080 in chips)
BigChris78: posts small blind 100
JusteBelmont: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BigChris78 [Js Ah]
Dagazz: raises 1075 to 1275 and is all-in
anwa71: folds
Thomas21114: folds
obscuredd: folds
BigChris78: folds
JusteBelmont: calls 1075
*** FLOP *** [Jd Ad Ks]
*** TURN *** [Jd Ad Ks] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [Jd Ad Ks 3s] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JusteBelmont: shows [Qd Qs] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Dagazz: shows [Kd Qc] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
JusteBelmont said, "nh"
Dagazz collected 2650 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2650 | Rake 0
Board [Jd Ad Ks 3s Jh]
Seat 2: Thomas21114 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: obscuredd (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: BigChris78 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: JusteBelmont (big blind) showed [Qd Qs] and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 8: Dagazz showed [Kd Qc] and won (2650) with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 9: anwa71 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Old February 20th, 2008, 11:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old February 20th, 2008, 12:38 PM   #3 (permalink)
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not a chance i call here that's really standard
aqs+ ak+ 10s+
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Old February 20th, 2008, 01:15 PM   #4 (permalink)

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r u guys serious??? The shover shoved 6 BB's 6 handed???? I snap shove and be happy about it... I think AJ is the bottom I do this with tho.

Also this looks like a MTT so perhaps you would get better advice in the MTT section
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Old February 20th, 2008, 01:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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r u guys serious??? The shover shoved 6 BB's 6 handed???? I snap shove and be happy about it... I think AJ is the bottom I do this with tho.

Also this looks like a MTT so perhaps you would get better advice in the MTT section
i'm thinking that he has more times blinds...yea he's right ajf+a/10s+,88+

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i'm thinking that he has more times blinds...yea he's right ajf+a/10s+,88+

sorry i'm a tart
lol, ok phew, though I was being a dumbass
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Old February 20th, 2008, 01:44 PM   #7 (permalink)

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honestly i push there and isolate so the bb dont feel obligated to call with pot odds

id have ran into the bb with qq that time but sucked out a nice pot
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Old February 20th, 2008, 02:03 PM   #8 (permalink)

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Ok of course you say you would after you seen you would of won.

So if you had AJ, and 2 all ins before you, would you of still called pre?

It was a 45 man sng
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Old February 20th, 2008, 02:20 PM   #9 (permalink)

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there was only one all in in front of you and only the bb to act

i put myself in front of the shovers range which is why im defo playing the hand

i dont want the bb flat calling behind me so i push and usualy make him fold
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Old February 20th, 2008, 02:27 PM   #10 (permalink)

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oh yes my fault, I don't know why I was thinking there were 2 all ins before me.

Idk I just hate AJ.
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Old February 20th, 2008, 02:32 PM   #11 (permalink)

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I love AJ... That and KQ. But obv the idea is to not get too attached to them They jus look so purdy, esp soooooted

Yeah, course I meant iso gogzy, should have included that. Its a matter of determining the shovers range and whether or not you beat that. If you want to be really succesful at 45 men, you need to understand what and when you need to be pushing and what and when you need to be calling (called push/fold theory).
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6bb this in a 45 man is an easy isolation shove. Its a 200% move in a turbo.

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