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Old February 25th, 2008, 07:06 PM   #1 (permalink)

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What would you guys do here? 10 dollar, 45 man SNG.. no read on opponent.. only the 6th hand of the tournament:

PokerStars Game #15544111312: Tournament #78679015, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/02/25 - 13:54:10 (ET)
Table '78679015 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: hellguardian (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: obscuredd (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: benyyy (1430 in chips)
Seat 4: JR1934 (1460 in chips)
Seat 5: jurhorst (1485 in chips)
Seat 6: jonmac3 (1420 in chips)
Seat 7: Jonas22 (1480 in chips)
Seat 8: lumpin (1480 in chips)
Seat 9: rug4ever (1775 in chips)
Jonas22: posts small blind 10
lumpin: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to obscuredd [Qc Qs]
rug4ever: calls 20
hellguardian: calls 20
obscuredd: raises 80 to 100
benyyy: folds
JR1934: folds
jurhorst: folds
jonmac3: folds
JR1934 is sitting out
Jonas22: raises 220 to 320
lumpin: folds
rug4ever: folds
hellguardian: folds
obscuredd: calls 220
*** FLOP *** [Jc 8h 8c]
Jonas22: bets 440
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the action is screaming AA, KK but people at lower limits can also be pretty crazy.. I know this doesn't justify making stupid decisions but everytime I fold an overpair I am shocked when I see what gets showdown (and these are usually 3 way pots).. anyway, what do you guys think?

Here is another hand that happened recently.. what do you guys suggest here:

PokerStars Game #15543603532: Tournament #78677499, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/02/25 - 13:31:37 (ET)
Table '78677499 3' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: wolf0505 (3740 in chips)
Seat 3: milehistacks (1630 in chips)
Seat 4: calamarc (1420 in chips)
Seat 5: EBayDestrian (2940 in chips)
Seat 6: Haelstrom (2440 in chips)
Seat 8: Matti4finger (1490 in chips)
Seat 9: obscuredd (1620 in chips)
milehistacks: posts small blind 10
calamarc: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to obscuredd [Kh Kc]
EBayDestrian: folds
Haelstrom: folds
Matti4finger: folds
obscuredd: raises 60 to 80
Biolantte is connected
wolf0505: folds
milehistacks: calls 70
calamarc: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [7c Jd Qd]
milehistacks: checks
calamarc: checks
obscuredd: bets 180
Haelstrom said, "i was screaming for the dealer to pair the board lol"
milehistacks: raises 620 to 800
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This is such a strong reraise at this level.. are the blinds small enough that I can get away from this hand?
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Old February 25th, 2008, 07:38 PM   #2 (permalink)

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1. I probably try to get it in PF. His hand screams strength, but I don't fold QQ PF very often (maybe never) in these. If I'm playing it, I'm playing it like it's the nuts.

2. Allin. No other option. Maybe he has you beat, but unlikely.
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Old February 25th, 2008, 07:50 PM   #3 (permalink)

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1. If he had JJ he would def. check. so only hands are AA and KK, I would call that bet and see the turn, prob he has AK.

2. Tricky, I feel he has 2 pair and thinks u have a diamond draw and is trying to making you pay for any chaser. Personally, I would push 100% of times...
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Old February 26th, 2008, 05:19 AM   #4 (permalink)

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I'd push both, I think the players are too wild and bad at this stage of the tournament to fold these hands. If they have us beat in both cases, just fire up another one, I don't think it can be extremely profitable to fold in either case, if I was going to fold either, I'd fold the first one, I'd never fold to the raise, looks like he's protecting top pair.
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Old February 26th, 2008, 06:45 AM   #5 (permalink)

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Well, I think that at that limit your opponent proably has somthing stupid like 77s or straight draw, (maybe a flush if its possible, i didn't see). So I would raise all-in (afraid of A coming and having to fold).
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