Should I lay this down on flop?

e8ghtball · February 26th, 2008, 02:55 AM

PokerStars Game #15554805482: Tournament #78447040, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/02/25 - 21:49:02 (ET)
Table '78447040 50' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Kemoul 1er (4980 in chips)
Seat 2: jotheglyde (4520 in chips)
Seat 3: yogger11 (5635 in chips)
Seat 4: Sabian300 (4285 in chips)
Seat 5: rebel_law (1170 in chips)
Seat 6: paesanoe (670 in chips)
Seat 7: GatorJH (1460 in chips)
Seat 8: e8ghtball (3155 in chips)
Seat 9: schizop (795 in chips)
schizop: posts small blind 50
Kemoul 1er: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to e8ghtball [Jd Kc]
jotheglyde: folds
yogger11: folds
Sabian300: folds
rebel_law: folds
paesanoe: calls 100
GatorJH: folds
e8ghtball: calls 100
schizop: calls 50
Kemoul 1er: checks
*** FLOP *** [8d Jc 9d]
schizop: checks
Kemoul 1er: checks
paesanoe: bets 570 and is all-in
e8ghtball: calls 570
schizop: folds
Kemoul 1er: folds
*** TURN *** [8d Jc 9d] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [8d Jc 9d 6h] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
paesanoe: shows [Td Ks] (a straight, Nine to King)
e8ghtball: shows [Jd Kc] (a pair of Jacks)
paesanoe collected 1540 from pot
rebel_law is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1540 | Rake 0
Board [8d Jc 9d 6h Qd]
Seat 1: Kemoul 1er (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: jotheglyde folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: yogger11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Sabian300 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: rebel_law folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: paesanoe showed [Td Ks] and won (1540) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 7: GatorJH folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: e8ghtball (button) showed [Jd Kc] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 9: schizop (small blind) folded on the Flop

passdasuga · February 26th, 2008, 03:12 AM

call, only reason to fold is the 2 people behind you.

Tony0100121 · February 26th, 2008, 04:34 AM

That's a hard one. I would have called no doubt but still with that flop it would be a hard fold.

fdart17 · February 26th, 2008, 04:56 AM

insta-call, you know if the ppl raise behind you its real, so you don't even have to worry about being bluffed.

msusyr24 · February 26th, 2008, 06:48 AM

snap call

Acid Hound · February 26th, 2008, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fdart17

insta-call, you know if the ppl raise behind you its real, so you don't even have to worry about being bluffed.

U kidding??? You will def get bluffed here every now and then. The second player to act behind has ~5k. if you flat, you have ~3k behind (I think) so if he shoves you will have to fold and if Im the big stack I might reship here with a ten, I definitely ship with J10, 109, etc. To say you wont get bluffed here is inexperience...

Anyway, what would I do? Actually a really tough spot but I think I ship it here. I think flatting is kinda bad b/c it encourages the big stack to come over the top with loads but its not terrible.

EDIT: Why is everyone flatting here. Its 89J with two diamonds. You will get sooooo many hands tagging along. Iso FTW

losttrem · February 26th, 2008, 06:36 PM

yeah def iso-raise here. if you seriously think about folding here, why would you have bothered to play the KJ in the first place?

Acid Hound · February 26th, 2008, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by losttrem

yeah def iso-raise here. if you seriously think about folding here, why would you have bothered to play the KJ in the first place?

NateTrib · February 27th, 2008, 05:23 AM

I donlt like a iso-raise here because of paesanoe's stack, he most likely has an ace and is almost always calling your raise, so I'm cool with seeing a cheap flop, and yes call the flop, he's obv bad if he's flat calling preflop with 7bb's so a pair of 8s or 9s is a good possibility for him

losttrem · February 27th, 2008, 08:08 AM

I meant iso raising on the flop. By flat calling the push we are giving the other two 2.7:1 here.