hmmm? 6 max turbs

[sizzlinbetta]

hand 1.

line i've been trying obv back fired on me but what do you think about this...i'm doing this into chops thinking i can rep something bigger...is this just dumb because i don't really ever see the ace fold...

PokerStars Game #15562542111: Tournament #78773997, $23+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/02/26 - 08:05:05 (ET)
Table '78773997 1' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: sizzlinbetta (2210 in chips)
Seat 3: silkelia (1350 in chips)
Seat 4: Mao Minho (3970 in chips)
Seat 6: Underdog (1470 in chips)
sizzlinbetta: posts small blind 25
silkelia: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sizzlinbetta [5s As]
Mao Minho: folds
Underdog: calls 50
sizzlinbetta: calls 25
silkelia: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ah Qs 3s]
sizzlinbetta: bets 150
silkelia: folds
Underdog: raises 150 to 300
sizzlinbetta: calls 150
*** TURN *** [Ah Qs 3s] [3c]
sizzlinbetta: checks
Underdog: bets 200
sizzlinbetta: raises 600 to 800
Underdog: calls 600
*** RIVER *** [Ah Qs 3s 3c] [Qd]
sizzlinbetta: bets 1060 and is all-in
Underdog: calls 320 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sizzlinbetta: shows [5s As] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
Underdog: shows [9s Ad] (two pair, Aces and Queens - Nine kicker)
Underdog collected 2990 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2990 | Rake 0
Board [Ah Qs 3s 3c Qd]
Seat 2: sizzlinbetta (small blind) showed [5s As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 3: silkelia (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Mao Minho folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Underdog (button) showed [9s Ad] and won (2990) with two pair, Aces and Queens

hand 2.
should i be calling here? qq+ ak is my range but i dunno

PokerStars Game #15562514662: Tournament #78773997, $23+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/02/26 - 08:02:23 (ET)
Table '78773997 1' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: sizzlinbetta (3280 in chips)
Seat 3: silkelia (1675 in chips)
Seat 4: Mao Minho (1385 in chips)
Seat 5: Doughboy 062 (1550 in chips)
Seat 6: Underdog (1110 in chips)
Underdog: posts small blind 15
sizzlinbetta: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sizzlinbetta [Ad Kh]
silkelia: folds
Mao Minho: raises 1355 to 1385 and is all-in
Doughboy 062: calls 1385
Underdog: folds
sizzlinbetta: raises 1465 to 2850
Doughboy 062: calls 165 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [7h Qh 8d]
*** TURN *** [7h Qh 8d] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [7h Qh 8d 8s] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sizzlinbetta: shows [Ad Kh] (a pair of Eights)
Doughboy 062: shows [Jd Kd] (a pair of Eights - lower kicker)
sizzlinbetta collected 330 from side pot
Mao Minho: shows [4h 4c] (two pair, Eights and Fours)
Mao Minho collected 4170 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4500 Main pot 4170. Side pot 330. | Rake 0
Board [7h Qh 8d 8s 6h]
Seat 2: sizzlinbetta (big blind) showed [Ad Kh] and won (330) with a pair of Eights
Seat 3: silkelia folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mao Minho showed [4h 4c] and won (4170) with two pair, Eights and Fours
Seat 5: Doughboy 062 (button) showed [Jd Kd] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 6: Underdog (small blind) folded before Flop


hand 3.
jam the turn or assume it's some sorta trap and check behind...this isn't results oriented i thought i was killed and didn't really know where to go w/ this

PokerStars Game #15562566160: Tournament #78774118, $23+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/02/26 - 08:07:26 (ET)
Table '78774118 1' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: jvhall12 (2250 in chips)
Seat 2: jayhawks2121 (200 in chips)
Seat 4: getricha (2925 in chips)
Seat 5: lorwes (2545 in chips)
Seat 6: sizzlinbetta (1080 in chips)
getricha: posts small blind 25
lorwes: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sizzlinbetta [Ks Ad]
sizzlinbetta: raises 150 to 200
jvhall12: folds
jayhawks2121: folds
getricha: folds
lorwes: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [4s 6d 2s]
lorwes: checks
sizzlinbetta: bets 300
lorwes: calls 300
*** TURN *** [4s 6d 2s] [5c]
lorwes: checks
sizzlinbetta: bets 580 and is all-in
lorwes: calls 580
*** RIVER *** [4s 6d 2s 5c] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lorwes: shows [As 9h] (a pair of Nines)
sizzlinbetta: shows [Ks Ad] (high card Ace)
lorwes collected 2185 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2185 | Rake 0
Board [4s 6d 2s 5c 9c]
Seat 1: jvhall12 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jayhawks2121 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: getricha (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: lorwes (big blind) showed [As 9h] and won (2185) with a pair of Nines
Seat 6: sizzlinbetta showed [Ks Ad] and lost with high card Ace

[rmthawk64]

Originally Posted by sizzlinbetta

hand 1.

line i've been trying obv back fired on me but what do you think about this...i'm doing this into chops thinking i can rep something bigger...is this just dumb because i don't really ever see the ace fold...

PokerStars Game #15562542111: Tournament #78773997, $23+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/02/26 - 08:05:05 (ET)
Table '78773997 1' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: sizzlinbetta (2210 in chips)
Seat 3: silkelia (1350 in chips)
Seat 4: Mao Minho (3970 in chips)
Seat 6: Underdog (1470 in chips)
sizzlinbetta: posts small blind 25
silkelia: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sizzlinbetta [5s As]
Mao Minho: folds
Underdog: calls 50
sizzlinbetta: calls 25
silkelia: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ah Qs 3s]
sizzlinbetta: bets 150
silkelia: folds
Underdog: raises 150 to 300
sizzlinbetta: calls 150
*** TURN *** [Ah Qs 3s] [3c]
sizzlinbetta: checks
Underdog: bets 200
sizzlinbetta: raises 600 to 800
Underdog: calls 600
*** RIVER *** [Ah Qs 3s 3c] [Qd]
sizzlinbetta: bets 1060 and is all-in
Underdog: calls 320 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sizzlinbetta: shows [5s As] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
Underdog: shows [9s Ad] (two pair, Aces and Queens - Nine kicker)
Underdog collected 2990 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2990 | Rake 0
Board [Ah Qs 3s 3c Qd]
Seat 2: sizzlinbetta (small blind) showed [5s As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 3: silkelia (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Mao Minho folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Underdog (button) showed [9s Ad] and won (2990) with two pair, Aces and Queens

hand 2.
should i be calling here? qq+ ak is my range but i dunno

PokerStars Game #15562514662: Tournament #78773997, $23+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/02/26 - 08:02:23 (ET)
Table '78773997 1' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: sizzlinbetta (3280 in chips)
Seat 3: silkelia (1675 in chips)
Seat 4: Mao Minho (1385 in chips)
Seat 5: Doughboy 062 (1550 in chips)
Seat 6: Underdog (1110 in chips)
Underdog: posts small blind 15
sizzlinbetta: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sizzlinbetta [Ad Kh]
silkelia: folds
Mao Minho: raises 1355 to 1385 and is all-in
Doughboy 062: calls 1385
Underdog: folds
sizzlinbetta: raises 1465 to 2850
Doughboy 062: calls 165 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [7h Qh 8d]
*** TURN *** [7h Qh 8d] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [7h Qh 8d 8s] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sizzlinbetta: shows [Ad Kh] (a pair of Eights)
Doughboy 062: shows [Jd Kd] (a pair of Eights - lower kicker)
sizzlinbetta collected 330 from side pot
Mao Minho: shows [4h 4c] (two pair, Eights and Fours)
Mao Minho collected 4170 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4500 Main pot 4170. Side pot 330. | Rake 0
Board [7h Qh 8d 8s 6h]
Seat 2: sizzlinbetta (big blind) showed [Ad Kh] and won (330) with a pair of Eights
Seat 3: silkelia folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mao Minho showed [4h 4c] and won (4170) with two pair, Eights and Fours
Seat 5: Doughboy 062 (button) showed [Jd Kd] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 6: Underdog (small blind) folded before Flop


hand 3.
jam the turn or assume it's some sorta trap and check behind...this isn't results oriented i thought i was killed and didn't really know where to go w/ this

PokerStars Game #15562566160: Tournament #78774118, $23+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/02/26 - 08:07:26 (ET)
Table '78774118 1' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: jvhall12 (2250 in chips)
Seat 2: jayhawks2121 (200 in chips)
Seat 4: getricha (2925 in chips)
Seat 5: lorwes (2545 in chips)
Seat 6: sizzlinbetta (1080 in chips)
getricha: posts small blind 25
lorwes: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sizzlinbetta [Ks Ad]
sizzlinbetta: raises 150 to 200
jvhall12: folds
jayhawks2121: folds
getricha: folds
lorwes: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [4s 6d 2s]
lorwes: checks
sizzlinbetta: bets 300
lorwes: calls 300
*** TURN *** [4s 6d 2s] [5c]
lorwes: checks
sizzlinbetta: bets 580 and is all-in
lorwes: calls 580
*** RIVER *** [4s 6d 2s 5c] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lorwes: shows [As 9h] (a pair of Nines)
sizzlinbetta: shows [Ks Ad] (high card Ace)
lorwes collected 2185 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2185 | Rake 0
Board [4s 6d 2s 5c 9c]
Seat 1: jvhall12 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jayhawks2121 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: getricha (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: lorwes (big blind) showed [As 9h] and won (2185) with a pair of Nines
Seat 6: sizzlinbetta showed [Ks Ad] and lost with high card Ace

Hand 1) I shove turn and maximize FE (and obv we have outs if he calls and we're behind, obv)

Hand 2) Snapfold. We have 100 BBs+ still. We have to beat 2 beat 2 random hands at showdown... what are we hoping they flip up?

Hand 3) I think I just shove the flop... we're playing to see all 3... I think we get hero'd here by AQ/AJ/AT a marginal amount of the time. Bad players will hero with mid pairs, etc... but we have outs. Although, I guess there's not much we can do when he flats... just weird

[bonzi]

Originally Posted by sizzlinbetta

hand 1.

line i've been trying obv back fired on me but what do you think about this...i'm doing this into chops thinking i can rep something bigger...is this just dumb because i don't really ever see the ace fold...

PokerStars Game #15562542111: Tournament #78773997, $23+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/02/26 - 08:05:05 (ET)
Table '78773997 1' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: sizzlinbetta (2210 in chips)
Seat 3: silkelia (1350 in chips)
Seat 4: Mao Minho (3970 in chips)
Seat 6: Underdog (1470 in chips)
sizzlinbetta: posts small blind 25
silkelia: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sizzlinbetta [5s As]
Mao Minho: folds
Underdog: calls 50
sizzlinbetta: calls 25
silkelia: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ah Qs 3s]
sizzlinbetta: bets 150
silkelia: folds
Underdog: raises 150 to 300
sizzlinbetta: calls 150
*** TURN *** [Ah Qs 3s] [3c]
sizzlinbetta: checks
Underdog: bets 200
sizzlinbetta: raises 600 to 800
Underdog: calls 600
*** RIVER *** [Ah Qs 3s 3c] [Qd]
sizzlinbetta: bets 1060 and is all-in
Underdog: calls 320 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sizzlinbetta: shows [5s As] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
Underdog: shows [9s Ad] (two pair, Aces and Queens - Nine kicker)
Underdog collected 2990 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2990 | Rake 0
Board [Ah Qs 3s 3c Qd]
Seat 2: sizzlinbetta (small blind) showed [5s As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 3: silkelia (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Mao Minho folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Underdog (button) showed [9s Ad] and won (2990) with two pair, Aces and Queens

hand 2.
should i be calling here? qq+ ak is my range but i dunno

PokerStars Game #15562514662: Tournament #78773997, $23+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/02/26 - 08:02:23 (ET)
Table '78773997 1' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: sizzlinbetta (3280 in chips)
Seat 3: silkelia (1675 in chips)
Seat 4: Mao Minho (1385 in chips)
Seat 5: Doughboy 062 (1550 in chips)
Seat 6: Underdog (1110 in chips)
Underdog: posts small blind 15
sizzlinbetta: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sizzlinbetta [Ad Kh]
silkelia: folds
Mao Minho: raises 1355 to 1385 and is all-in
Doughboy 062: calls 1385
Underdog: folds
sizzlinbetta: raises 1465 to 2850
Doughboy 062: calls 165 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [7h Qh 8d]
*** TURN *** [7h Qh 8d] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [7h Qh 8d 8s] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sizzlinbetta: shows [Ad Kh] (a pair of Eights)
Doughboy 062: shows [Jd Kd] (a pair of Eights - lower kicker)
sizzlinbetta collected 330 from side pot
Mao Minho: shows [4h 4c] (two pair, Eights and Fours)
Mao Minho collected 4170 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4500 Main pot 4170. Side pot 330. | Rake 0
Board [7h Qh 8d 8s 6h]
Seat 2: sizzlinbetta (big blind) showed [Ad Kh] and won (330) with a pair of Eights
Seat 3: silkelia folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mao Minho showed [4h 4c] and won (4170) with two pair, Eights and Fours
Seat 5: Doughboy 062 (button) showed [Jd Kd] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 6: Underdog (small blind) folded before Flop


hand 3.
jam the turn or assume it's some sorta trap and check behind...this isn't results oriented i thought i was killed and didn't really know where to go w/ this

PokerStars Game #15562566160: Tournament #78774118, $23+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/02/26 - 08:07:26 (ET)
Table '78774118 1' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: jvhall12 (2250 in chips)
Seat 2: jayhawks2121 (200 in chips)
Seat 4: getricha (2925 in chips)
Seat 5: lorwes (2545 in chips)
Seat 6: sizzlinbetta (1080 in chips)
getricha: posts small blind 25
lorwes: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sizzlinbetta [Ks Ad]
sizzlinbetta: raises 150 to 200
jvhall12: folds
jayhawks2121: folds
getricha: folds
lorwes: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [4s 6d 2s]
lorwes: checks
sizzlinbetta: bets 300
lorwes: calls 300
*** TURN *** [4s 6d 2s] [5c]
lorwes: checks
sizzlinbetta: bets 580 and is all-in
lorwes: calls 580
*** RIVER *** [4s 6d 2s 5c] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
lorwes: shows [As 9h] (a pair of Nines)
sizzlinbetta: shows [Ks Ad] (high card Ace)
lorwes collected 2185 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2185 | Rake 0
Board [4s 6d 2s 5c 9c]
Seat 1: jvhall12 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jayhawks2121 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: getricha (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: lorwes (big blind) showed [As 9h] and won (2185) with a pair of Nines
Seat 6: sizzlinbetta showed [Ks Ad] and lost with high card Ace

1. Id be all in on flop after his re raise, just unlucky there.


2.Nah im folding this.

3.Shove on the flop, not sure why he's flat called anyway, but then the 300 bet makes no sense, if he re raises there do you call? Also if (as he does) flat calls the 300 then what has he got, trips?
Remove all questions and shove, but again unlucky the guy is a joke, and possibly would have called ur shove on the flop lol.

[Acid Hound]

Originally Posted by rmthawk64

Hand 1) I shove turn and maximize FE (and obv we have outs if he calls and we're behind, obv)

Hand 2) Snapfold. We have 100 BBs+ still. We have to beat 2 beat 2 random hands at showdown... what are we hoping they flip up?

Hand 3) I think I just shove the flop... we're playing to see all 3... I think we get hero'd here by AQ/AJ/AT a marginal amount of the time. Bad players will hero with mid pairs, etc... but we have outs. Although, I guess there's not much we can do when he flats... just weird

No good players will snap call 99 here. It KILLS a shove of 2x the pot on after a 4x UTG on that flop. In fact, the only hand I'd put the shover on is AK or AQ. I never ever see anything that 99 doesnt beat, you might see 77 or so sometimes if villian was in hero position and shoved.

Hand 1: If you wana try something new, fine, but I just hate playing a girl with no tits (ace with no kicker). I like a shove more on the turn tho.

Hand 2: rmthawk64 has it down, what are you hoping they flip up?? IMO you will see a pair and a hand that has your outs like AQ/AJ. I dont like a call here one bit at 15/30. easy fold. However, with no flat ahead, snap call

Hand 3: Fine IMO. His flat makes it so awkward... The only play I can see is raise, bet, shove. 3x pre please

[Acid Hound]

Originally Posted by bonzi

1. Id be all in on flop after his re raise, just unlucky there.


2.Nah im folding this.

3.Shove on the flop, not sure why he's flat called anyway, but then the 300 bet makes no sense, if he re raises there do you call? Also if (as he does) flat calls the 300 then what has he got, trips?
Remove all questions and shove, but again unlucky the guy is a joke, and possibly would have called ur shove on the flop lol.

Why is everyone afraid of playing poker?? Shove and save myself from a difficult decision... Thats not poker. I like 150 pre, that puts ~225 in there, 165 on the flop and then fold to aggression (be it a flop raise or a flop flat/turn bet)

As played its tougher b/c we just built a pot we cant just let go but cant really call either. 275 on the flop, leaving behind like ~600 and as ghey as it is, Im check folding after that. I dont like building such a pot like that, honeslt sizzlin, I think you need to structure your bets better, you should realise your flop bet is gonna have to be bigger b/c of your p/f raise and thus committing yourself with a cbet. This could be avoided with some thought pre.

[bonzi]

Originally Posted by Acid Hound

Why is everyone afraid of playing poker?? Shove and save myself from a difficult decision... Thats not poker. I like 150 pre, that puts ~225 in there, 165 on the flop and then fold to aggression (be it a flop raise or a flop flat/turn bet)

As played its tougher b/c we just built a pot we cant just let go but cant really call either. 275 on the flop, leaving behind like ~600 and as ghey as it is, Im check folding after that. I dont like building such a pot like that, honeslt sizzlin, I think you need to structure your bets better, you should realise your flop bet is gonna have to be bigger b/c of your p/f raise and thus committing yourself with a cbet. This could be avoided with some thought pre.

Hmm this is a turbo yes?
Shortstacked yes?
My point is i dont see what the 300 bet does?
Poker is about asking the questions of other players not yourself.But in this situation there is no question you can ask, its **** or bust, shove it , or check it and lose, or bet out low so he can re pop and u fold?? no no makes no sense in a turbo.
The thing is u bet out 165 and fold to his re raise, then ur stack is around what 665? then what get A-K next hand and shove? then there is only 75 in the pot, or do we raise miss the flop put out a weak continuation then fold? do we only play when we hit the flop?

For the record no im not afraid of playing poker, this is turbo poker, its not done by the book.
Shove take his 165 plus ur own PF raise, and repeat the same sickness all the way to 1st place.

[Acid Hound]

I play primarily turbos. I am very familiar with them having played them exclusively for almost a month. I disagree with his betting structure as I already said so I would not be in this spot, 150 pre and 160-200 on the flop. This leaves us with >700 chips, enough at 25/50.

As played, 250 on the flop and I probably give up with no reads but thats a sick spot. I mean, what do you beat???

Shoving 800 into a 400 pot, if you regular these level sngs, you know SCREAMS overcards. From a villian, his shoving range is 33,55,77,88 (MAYB 15% of the time) and KQ+,A10+ around 85% of the time. He is not gonna flip up 99+ here, shoving telegraphs your hand and a half decent player will pick you off. As it turns out, the guy was a donk anyway but w/e, were not being results orientated.

IMO, shoving the flop is nothing short of terrible. As played, you kinda have to shove the turn...

Again, this could be solved pre flop by making it 3x and structuring cbets more appropriately

[sizzlinbetta]

Originally Posted by Acid Hound

Why is everyone afraid of playing poker?? Shove and save myself from a difficult decision... Thats not poker. I like 150 pre, that puts ~225 in there, 165 on the flop and then fold to aggression (be it a flop raise or a flop flat/turn bet)

As played its tougher b/c we just built a pot we cant just let go but cant really call either. 275 on the flop, leaving behind like ~600 and as ghey as it is, Im check folding after that. I dont like building such a pot like that, honeslt sizzlin, I think you need to structure your bets better, you should realise your flop bet is gonna have to be bigger b/c of your p/f raise and thus committing yourself with a cbet. This could be avoided with some thought pre.

blah i'm playing horrible and living on semi tilt...hopefully i can start turning stuff around

[pokerismygame7]

sizzlin ive noticed one of your leaks and tbh its something i constantly exploit people do check turn to induce bluff what i have been doing on you alot as of late checking turn behind isnt bad. and stop playing hands oop at 50 100 with 1500 especially with J9 and such.

[Rocketmist]

Hand one I don't like the reraise on the turn. Way too many donks choose to value bet with x2 raises, that should have a red light going off in your head.

Hand two, yeah thats a call ez.

Hand three, you played that perfect, nice job.

[RDTigger]

It's easy to fall in love with the Ace, and rightly so but this is EXACTLY why you tell the beginner to fold low kicker holes altogether...

When you fall in love with the Ace but forget that you only have a rag as a kicker... I need to learn more about FE myself and making these work better for me in winning pots...

[draw2aflush]

hands

1. C/R FLOP as played doesn't matter just ul. money is going in for $320 on river

2.FOLD

3.AI on flop