is this a terrible shove? 25$ turbo 6 max

[pokerismygame7]

villain multitables i believe 6 tables is a decent player tends to get somewhat out of line sometimes. I was once told that to beat multitablers apply pressure to them so they have to think.

i know i have probably 8 outs plus still FE

PokerStars Game #15579048727: Tournament #78856732, $23+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/02/26 - 21:59:17 (ET)
Table '78856732 1' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: sobisobi (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: centiment48 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: Scorpio2000 (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: jonrubs (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: hooper3411 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: barkly34 (1500 in chips)
centiment48: posts small blind 10
Scorpio2000: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jonrubs [Qh Tc]
jonrubs: raises 40 to 60
hooper3411: folds
barkly34: folds
sobisobi: calls 60
centiment48: folds
Scorpio2000: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc Jd 8h]
jonrubs: bets 100
sobisobi: raises 200 to 300
jonrubs: raises 1140 to 1440 and is all-in

[Acid Hound]

I think its fine againts any half decent player really. You def still have FE and the shove puts a lot of pressure on

[sizzlinbetta]

wowzers really?

[eppy12588]

I would fold preflop and fold to a reraise on the flop.....theres no way your good there against a regular especially on the 1st hand as most regulars play extremelly tight the first couple of levels.

[pokerismygame7]

i mean but by shoving i put extreme pressure on him and am representing a very good hand and i still have a ton of FE

[mutigers5591]

Originally Posted by eppy12588

I would fold preflop and fold to a reraise on the flop.....theres no way your good there against a regular especially on the 1st hand as most regulars play extremelly tight the first couple of levels.

this is why its a bad play, when a regular who multitables raises you on a board like this you should most def fold...they dont raise without the goods early on

[pokerismygame7]

but even J8 has to be semi scared considering this early they know not to committ their chips this early i guess im trying to think to much

[draw2aflush]

given history i say fold to RR IMO

[eppy12588]

Originally Posted by pokerismygame7

but even J8 has to be semi scared considering this early they know not to committ their chips this early i guess im trying to think to much

Well hes not calling with J8 1st hand of a sitngo to a raise so on a QJ8 board reraising we will have to put his range at IMO QQ JJ 88 QJ AQ KQ...nothing worse....and QQ is out of his range due to the fact you have a Q and he prob reraises QQ preflop on the button and even JJ is prob out of his range too just flatting it preflop although some ppl would flat it with JJ so I would say IMO this is either AQ QJ JJ or 88....Im leaning more towards this being 88......what did he have?

[pokerismygame7]

J8 why i said it

[pokerismygame7]

and imo he prob r/r JJ+ so im really only worried about QJ/AQ/KQ

[pokerismygame7]

and 88 obv

[eppy12588]

wow he had J8 lol

[eppy12588]

the multitablers Im used to play 12+ tables and are just bots the first 3 levels and will not get into confrontations unless they have close to the nuts

[ugotblufd]

i think thats a terrible shove

utg raise with qto is where ur trouble begins

[tokeRJallDAY]

bad shove but like others have sid the problem is preflop

[nsinger]

I don't usually raise q10 utg but i dont think it's awful early in the six handed sngs. The regulars not getting involved w/o a big hand early is actually an argument in favor of raising; usually you're going to be involved w/ bad players who make lots of mistakes. I've been keeping tabs on my toughest opponents in the $30-$40 range play very aggressive early and get the chips from the bad players.

That said, I'm always folding the flop there. He's not folding when you reraise pretty much ever I think.

[Rocketmist]

I gotta give you props for being aggressive early on, a lot of people think you have to play the tighest poker of your life early on to be successful at sngs, where when all the best players playing at the high limits, the 200s to 1,000s jump out and start aggressive. I love the outright bet, if you keep betting that amount into any flop you will get that reraise with top pair 100% of the time which makes the push a great move. Id never fold top two pair early on, not a donk move at all, he could be reraising with a possible straight draw, KQ, AQ, or a worse two pair so you definately have the majority of the hands beat here. One more thing, just because people play six tables at a time, that does not mean they are good, don't give multitablers too much credit because there are very aggressive players that multitable also, such as myself and I woulda reraised that with any of the hands I listed above. By betting outright also you make him put you on either a hand like KQ or AQ or possibly just a cbet with a lower pp so he will reraise that with low two pairs everytime knowing you probably have one of those hands.

"the multitablers Im used to play 12+ tables and are just bots the first 3 levels and will not get into confrontations unless they have close to the nuts"
You wont see a lot of people playing 12+ tables at 6 man sngs, they are pretty quick.

"this is why its a bad play, when a regular who multitables raises you on a board like this you should most def fold...they dont raise without the goods early on"
thats not true, queens up still beats 90% of the hands he would raise with early on in that position.

[mutigers5591]

haha "queens still beat 90% of the hands he would raise with early on in that position"..right

[cardsfan04]

fold pre
fold flop

although i sometimes do opposite of both because I'm a spewdonkey