AT 12BB's deep in turbo 45

[cardsfan04]

Is this too nitty? I can't raise/fold and I'm not sure jamming gets me a good risk/reward.

PokerStars Game #15580409990: Tournament #78861806, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/02/26 - 23:05:55 (ET)
Table '78861806 4' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: PoLToV (1150 in chips)
Seat 2: jacknthehat (2430 in chips)
Seat 4: fatfingers (1305 in chips)
Seat 5: cardsfan04 (1250 in chips)
Seat 7: Heraty (2880 in chips)
Seat 8: Donknottz (2375 in chips)
Seat 9: lowkey100 (2110 in chips)
PoLToV: posts small blind 50
jacknthehat: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cardsfan04 [Td Ah]
fatfingers: folds
cardsfan04: folds
Heraty: folds
Donknottz: folds
lowkey100: calls 100
PoLToV: calls 50
jacknthehat: checks
*** FLOP *** [4c Tc 3d]
PoLToV: checks
jacknthehat: checks
lowkey100: bets 400
PoLToV: folds
jacknthehat: folds
lowkey100 collected 300 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 300 | Rake 0
Board [4c Tc 3d]
Seat 1: PoLToV (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: jacknthehat (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: fatfingers folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: cardsfan04 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Heraty folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Donknottz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: lowkey100 (button) collected (300)

[NateTrib]

looks fine to me

[Acid Hound]

ya, its fine from that position. I tend to get tighter than any other time pre when I have 10-15 BBs b/c you cant raise fold, you cant call a shove and open shoving is too much from that pos.

[Checkmate36]

Originally Posted by Acid Hound

ya, its fine from that position. I tend to get tighter than any other time pre when I have 10-15 BBs b/c you cant raise fold, you cant call a shove and open shoving is too much from that pos.

I like the fold as well. One thing that I have a question on is are you guys looking at your stack in terms of BB's or are you guys using M?

[eppy12588]

Originally Posted by Checkmate36

I like the fold as well. One thing that I have a question on is are you guys looking at your stack in terms of BB's or are you guys using M?

I only use M when antes are involved...which should make sense...usually use the 10XBB rule when antes are not involved

[cardsfan04]

I'm the same way about the M only w/ antes involved. Even then, I only use it so much as to know where I'll be at when the blinds go through me again. I think more about BB's because I jam a lot late in turbo 45's and I think how many BB's gives me a better idea of how much FE I have.

[imurvariance]

Yeah seems pretty standard

[Checkmate36]

Same situation but this time lets say hero holds AJo, are we looking to push or just raise our standard amount preflop?

How about AJs?

[msusyr24]

honestly i fold AQo here

[Not Just Luck]

all in preflop

[msusyr24]

lmao

[ariganello]

you have to fold or jam all in pre only move here. Im all in pre here everytime

[draw2aflush]

Fold

[ariganello]

This is a 45 man and he has 1250 stack at 50/100 level with blinds going up again. Jamming here he will get called by Ax at this level. If he folds now blinds go to 75/150 he is sitting at 925 and might be force to play a worse hand with less FE

[msusyr24]

this is a clear fold

[ariganello]

explain why this is a fold

[msusyr24]

well we certainly are not raising 3x with ATo from EP because we have to fold to a shove and im not just raise/folding 25% of my stack. That makes this push or fold. Pushing 12x from EP is a -ev play. we will pick up 150 when everyone folds. when someone calls we are 99% of the time behind and (not 99% of the time) but a lot of the time lose 1200 chips. So we are risking 1200 to gain 150? Not worth it. Now from later pos I migh shove since there are less players left behind to act. But EP with this stack and this hand?? 100% fold.

[ariganello]

I never said to raise. you cant raise here -ev for sure push or fold is only option. Its a 6.50 and getting called here very light will happen. A2,A3,A4 22,33,44,55 KQ KJ QJ QT calls more often than in a higher buy in. AA,KK,QQ,JJ,TT will call bu AA and TT are very unlikely but does happen. KK QQ JJ you still have the A and only a 30% dog. But second postion 7 handed at the 6.50 level I fell he will get called light here with these hands

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.706% 48.36% 04.34% 2464509816 221287830.00 { ATo }
Hand 1: 47.294% 42.95% 04.34% 2188731228 221287830.00 { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, A2o+, KJo+ }

[msusyr24]

you are WAY off here
your hand ranges are absolutely awful
no way low pairs call...no way A2o calls lmao...or A2o-AJo even
A2s-A9s fold for sure IMO
KJo?

I cant continue im too stressed out reading this

[msusyr24]

Hand 0: 31.544% 29.07% 02.48% 424040148 36149082.00 { ATo }
Hand 1: 68.456% 65.98% 02.48% 962544696 36149082.00 { 77+, ATs+, AQo+ }

This range I assigned is very loose imo as well